Bolts and semi-autos rifles?
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Semi-autos are simply not as numerous as bolt actions...There aren't enough semi-autos for everyone, so you have to use a bolt action...there really aren't any benefits.
EDIT: Apart from how awesome bolt actions are by their nature!
EDIT: Apart from how awesome bolt actions are by their nature!
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it's very rarely that my svt only wounds someone in the legs.
About as rare as me getting a bolt wound in the legs
it's more accurate only on really, REALLY big distances, where the game stops becoming a pixel hunt and starts becoming blind luck and where bolters pick up excellent marksman - gold achievement
It is more accurate as well at shorter range when someone is nearly fully concealed against a sandbag. I prefer a bolt primarily because of this rather than the long range distance.
No advantages?
Semi auto and full auto smg's and rifles are far more likely to jam.
Bolt actions are still popular for a reason, guys.
They are reliable, easy to manufacture, easy to clean and they shoot straight.
In the field they are far less prone to jamming, hence their popularity with many of the world largest armies well into the 50''s and early 60's.
I actually prefered using bolt actions in Ro as I found the recoil on the semi autos to much. The time it took me to re-aim after firing a round from an SVT wasn't that much shorter then reloading a bolt action and taking aim again.
And theres something about a bolt action that just feels so right, like no matter what happens it will always shoot as long as it's got bullets.
Semi auto and full auto smg's and rifles are far more likely to jam.
Bolt actions are still popular for a reason, guys.
They are reliable, easy to manufacture, easy to clean and they shoot straight.
In the field they are far less prone to jamming, hence their popularity with many of the world largest armies well into the 50''s and early 60's.
I actually prefered using bolt actions in Ro as I found the recoil on the semi autos to much. The time it took me to re-aim after firing a round from an SVT wasn't that much shorter then reloading a bolt action and taking aim again.
And theres something about a bolt action that just feels so right, like no matter what happens it will always shoot as long as it's got bullets.
I always preferred bolt to semi auto. Semi is nice but I like the fact that I can always count on the accuracy of the bolt rifle when shooting concealed targets. Playing bolt also forces you to play smart due to being unforgiving if you miss at closer ranges(Bolt makes you a better player). I see it as the bread and butter of RO.
well last night, my game started to shine. I went to a semi-auto after using the bolt for some time and I just knocked peeps down left and right. I was pixel hunting, hitting MGs and snipers all the way across the map with ease. I played with it like a bolt when I needed to while making the first shot count. Up close it was better than a SMG. Accuracy hip shooting was outstanding and easy. So as much as I love a bolt, it's far less useful when a semi-auto feels the same without the slow reloads.
Although I have to say it's fun popping up, shooting 5 guys with your bolt. Man I feel like the sniper in the movie Enemy at the Gates. lol Fun..fun...
Although I have to say it's fun popping up, shooting 5 guys with your bolt. Man I feel like the sniper in the movie Enemy at the Gates. lol
Fun..fun...
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Let the Kar carry the day.
I disagree, jams would be great. Say, 1 in 50 for semis compared to 1 in never for bolts. But then that would add too much of a "random element" for the skill-obsessed competitive crowd.
I disagree, jams would be great. Say, 1 in 50 for semis compared to 1 in never for bolts. But then that would add too much of a "random element" for the skill-obsessed competitive crowd.
I prefer bolts as I tend to be more patient with them. With the semi-auto's I'm likely to be careless with that first shot and have to fire off a couple more to get the job done. Bolts force me to take my time and fire with determined accuracy.
Ofcourse the semi-auto rifle is better than the bolt action rifle, because that is what it was designed for: the same accuracy as the rifle but a higher rate of fire.
That is also why they are balanced in number on the battlefield, and it evens out quite nicely that way.
It doesnt need any other form of balancing.
my 43' m1 garand is built liek a tank... but i perfeer my scoped 308 or 30-30 for "lets not **** aroudn and get that last tag filled becasue there is only 3 days left in the season". but i still shot my m1 becasue its jsut fun to shoot...... its got teh long range accurcay and the clsoe range O MY GOD CHARGING MULE DEER!!!! prey and sprey.
however, my 308 is far supirior at range...becasue its scoped. and i can shoot better with my 30-30 lever and 308 because i know that i have one shot, then i have to break my point of aim.....with my m1 garand i jsut prey and sprey...kinda...
the m1 is so heavy recoil is VERY little (federal 150 grain soft point with adjustible gas plug) so i can prey and sprey...it hodls 8 roudns and is very quick to stick 8 mroe in!
but, becaue if the "i only got 1 shot" of my 30-30 and 308, i have a higher hit ratio with them.
even in game when i start to get to the bottem of the m91/30s mag, or a semi auto...i start to shoot better becasue i know if i reload hes going to bayo charge me.
by the way, i have NEVER had a jam with my m1 garand...its always fired, ejected, chambed, and locked every time i pull the trigger. i have not even had a dud round (frderal ammo owns).
historicaly, a semi auto is JSUT as accurate as a bolt.... the m1 garand locks in 3 places. when it fires the op rod ahs to TURN the bolt out of the locks, then move it back!
a my 308 locks in 2 or 3 places, and i have to turn it and then move it back.
its the same operation...kinda, but a semi auto does it for you at a fast speed.
also, jamming on a semi auto was more common becasue of neglect...my m1 gets a nice oiling and cleaning after every kill...its sorta a reward for beign ym good little battle rifle. but in battle your not going to have time to clean crap.
the SVT 40/G41/G43 might have not been as "built" as the m1 garand. especally teh G41 witch just sucked period! i have thrown my m1 over fences, droped out of the truck ETC and it does not even have a dent in the stock.
moral of the story.... semi autos are OP, but people jsut sprey becaseu they can.... sit back and take well aimed shots from your bolt to take them out.... if you shoot a semi liek a bolt...your going to rape. thats how war works!
WAR IS NOT BALLANCED!!!!!!
m4 sherman vs tiger
m1 vs kar 98
mg42 vs m1919A3 30 cal
t34 vs PZ 3
not ballanced, but realistic....dont take the realism from RO and make it red orchestra : only care about multiplayer warefare 4!
however, my 308 is far supirior at range...becasue its scoped. and i can shoot better with my 30-30 lever and 308 because i know that i have one shot, then i have to break my point of aim.....with my m1 garand i jsut prey and sprey...kinda...
the m1 is so heavy recoil is VERY little (federal 150 grain soft point with adjustible gas plug) so i can prey and sprey...it hodls 8 roudns and is very quick to stick 8 mroe in!
but, becaue if the "i only got 1 shot" of my 30-30 and 308, i have a higher hit ratio with them.
even in game when i start to get to the bottem of the m91/30s mag, or a semi auto...i start to shoot better becasue i know if i reload hes going to bayo charge me.
by the way, i have NEVER had a jam with my m1 garand...its always fired, ejected, chambed, and locked every time i pull the trigger. i have not even had a dud round (frderal ammo owns).
historicaly, a semi auto is JSUT as accurate as a bolt.... the m1 garand locks in 3 places. when it fires the op rod ahs to TURN the bolt out of the locks, then move it back!
a my 308 locks in 2 or 3 places, and i have to turn it and then move it back.
its the same operation...kinda, but a semi auto does it for you at a fast speed.
also, jamming on a semi auto was more common becasue of neglect...my m1 gets a nice oiling and cleaning after every kill...its sorta a reward for beign ym good little battle rifle. but in battle your not going to have time to clean crap.
the SVT 40/G41/G43 might have not been as "built" as the m1 garand. especally teh G41 witch just sucked period! i have thrown my m1 over fences, droped out of the truck ETC and it does not even have a dent in the stock.
moral of the story.... semi autos are OP, but people jsut sprey becaseu they can.... sit back and take well aimed shots from your bolt to take them out.... if you shoot a semi liek a bolt...your going to rape. thats how war works!
WAR IS NOT BALLANCED!!!!!!
m4 sherman vs tiger
m1 vs kar 98
mg42 vs m1919A3 30 cal
t34 vs PZ 3
not ballanced, but realistic....dont take the realism from RO and make it red orchestra : only care about multiplayer warefare 4!
Semi automatic rifles in general aren't as accurate as bolt action rifles, and rifles such as the SVT40 and G43 were critized for their lack of accuracy at long ranges.
The G41 is abit of exception though, being noted as an unusually accurate semi automatic rifle. Too bad it was way too susceptible to dirt and often jammed when operated in harsh invironments.
The G41 is abit of exception though, being noted as an unusually accurate semi automatic rifle. Too bad it was way too susceptible to dirt and often jammed when operated in harsh invironments.
If the jamming could be implemented realistically, I would be all for it. Not a great example, but something along the lines that if one crawls through mud, sand etc. there could be a change that the mechanism could catch dirt and gun might jam. But as things like that - or what more important, keeping one's gun in good condition and cleaning it after combar etc. - can not be portrayed realistically in game, I cannot think, that jamming would bring anything but grief in game. Pure random things just often fail to deliver anything positive.
the reason jamming, gun-shot-out-of-hand, etc. is positive is the tension and fear caused by it happening. without that, youre always in control, and it becomes like COD where you never have to fear anything besides being shot at, and in the case of cod not even that. this is one of the things i'm concerned about with RO2, no amount of super-detailed graphics and models can replace the feel of RO, the feeling of actually being one of the soldiers in a war.
maybe I'm the only one, but I don't fear dropping my gun. also if the weapon pick up system is better then its not going to be a problem to pick it back up.
I am not sure how to feel about it being taken out, I would need to play both to tell.
I am not sure how to feel about it being taken out, I would need to play both to tell.
So you don't oppose the notion of jamming in its entirety, just the random application of it. Alright. Maybe we'll see something in the future as technology allows for it.
I don't know... the K98 was, exceptional.
its not really fear, more like: you're shooting germans, and all of a sudden your gun drops and you're like "aaaagh pick it up pick it up!". well, thats how it usually goes for me anyways.