I have the same thoughts as you with this.
Maybe a beta tester can tell us if it is still the same, because the video is from a quite older build.
Hopefully not on Realism...
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Bolt action balance
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Maybe a beta tester can tell us if it is still the same, because the video is from a quite older build.
Is realism different then Realistic? I'm just going by this screenshot
http://images.totalgamingnetwork.com/images/2011-08-19_00006.jpg
It's been said that Riflemen only have sidearms in the beta for demonstration purposes.
If this turns out any way like DOD:S, riflemen will be severely limited in effectiveness. With long range dominated by snipers and now with the new zoom mechanic and reduced recoil of SMGs, the medium range where rifles > smg becomes very narrow.
Also, the maps themselves play a factor. In non-vehicle infantry only maps the basic layout is always a wide open square type venue surrounded by buildings. Most of the time, SMG's will look out from windows into the square for easy kills. So basically, it will be riflemen in the square (since wide open spaces are the rifleman's element) who can't move up because all the SMG's lurking in every window.
I just don't see how bolt-action rifles are relevant anymore in RO2.
Also, the maps themselves play a factor. In non-vehicle infantry only maps the basic layout is always a wide open square type venue surrounded by buildings. Most of the time, SMG's will look out from windows into the square for easy kills. So basically, it will be riflemen in the square (since wide open spaces are the rifleman's element) who can't move up because all the SMG's lurking in every window.
I just don't see how bolt-action rifles are relevant anymore in RO2.
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said it before and ill say it again
[url]http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=55322&page=2[/URL]
this happens with every game ive played on the PC
[url]http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=55322&page=2[/URL]
this happens with every game ive played on the PC
This problem was glaringly obvious in COD: World at War. The accuracy of SMGs was so good, it was stupid to put the bayonet on the Kar98k or even the M1 instead of a sniper scope since you needed the range (and even then Thompson sniping was ridiculous, but I wouldn't equip anything else. I made it work there, and the imba was obvious.
I haven't seen any signs that a smart riflemen won't strike fear into the enemy's heart.
Sure, everyone in the footage picked the smgs, but 9/10 he was soon dead and his camera went to following a guy with a bolt (who was owning the map).
I haven't seen any signs that a smart riflemen won't strike fear into the enemy's heart.
Sure, everyone in the footage picked the smgs, but 9/10 he was soon dead and his camera went to following a guy with a bolt (who was owning the map).
assumptions based on the information i found in interviews, vids and previews.
the maps scale according to the amount of players
i'm guessing that at low playercounts this will make the smg's the most efficient, and that at high player counts the rifles will be dominant.
the maps scale according to the amount of players
i'm guessing that at low playercounts this will make the smg's the most efficient, and that at high player counts the rifles will be dominant.
SMG vs bolt.
[url]http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-gameplay-red-orchestra/719541[/URL]
Gametrailers Gameplay Video.
1:51.
Q.E.D. :IS2:
[url]http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-gameplay-red-orchestra/719541[/URL]
Gametrailers Gameplay Video.
1:51.
Q.E.D. :IS2:
^ I know I saw a video of some British journalist aiming a smg on a fence post. Then getting popped from so far off with a rifle I couldn't see the flash or any movement.
But just speaking on the rifles they seem to have a more "real" quality if I can say that. After watching a gameplay video witha Gewher being fired from cover, I noticed that the rifle now "pops" up, and then settles down and "sticks" in the area it was last fired. It actually looks like a rifle fired by a real human who is holding onto it tightly.
Whereas in the first red orchestra the rifle would pop like my .22, but then skip off to the right/left like my smoothbore muzzleloader does. Either because its smoothbore or because I can't muscle the stance. But yeah, the last RO gave me the feeling that whoever designed the shooting had never fired a real rifle because it skipped around the screen for no damn reason(And not in a normal fashion, firearms don't jump to the side moreso then up unless your holding it wrong. Or maybe a certain model which releases the excess gas on one side greater then the other.)
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The only reason we see SMG's dominating in the videos, is because nearly all the kills we've seen have been at close/medium range, which is what the sub-machinegun was designed for. In RO1 SMG's had far too much recoil for a pistol round, which is why they've been scaled back realistically in ROHOS.
For accurate medium/long range shots with sure "stopping power", not much is going to beat a bolt gun. Plus you've got a handy pig-sticker for close-ins situations.
For accurate medium/long range shots with sure "stopping power", not much is going to beat a bolt gun. Plus you've got a handy pig-sticker for close-ins situations.
You can change whether or not you want manual or auto bolting in the options, it was in a screenshot I am too lazy to dig up.
I would assume that the trailers are showing off more CQB stuff because it is more exciting than footage of picking guys off at 100+ meters. That's not to say being a rifleman isn't fun (It's my main class), it just better shows off the possible intense action.
Assuming it's on manual by default, sure, some people might not know what to do, but they'll figure it out quickly. If it's auto-bolt by default, then there really isn't any disadvantage, you know what you're getting into if you switch it to manual bolting and you aren't allowed to cry about it.