Body Armor for Soviet Engineers (Cosmetic Hero Unlock)

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Pprkut

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Disclaimer:
This is NOT a "CODish perk" thread.


So, I browsed "best of suggestions" thread once again, and my favorite part is:
Soviet marksman can select the plasch palatka (red army cloak/poncho). Link (Yes! - thanx a lot TW)
wraped rifles as achievements for Heros (was used by normal dedicated marksmen, too, not only by snipers - see Link!)

My suggestion is:
Стальной Нагрудник-42 ("Stalynoi Nagrudnik", Russian for "steel breastplate") body armor as a Hero unlock for Russian engineers.
To prevent element of disbalance and kind of arcade thing, make it cosmetic upgrade only.

There were several models of body armor in the Red Army, called SN-38, SN-39, SN-40, SN-40A, and SN-42. The number denotes the design year. All were combat tested, but only the SN-42 was put in serial production.

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SN-42 was designed to protect against bayonet attacks, small fragments from the explosion and a 9 mm pistol bullets with lead core, providing protection against damage from MP-38/40 from a 10m distance. Also, from a distance of 100-150m it's stand a shot from a Gewehr 41, but on condition that the bullet went on a tangent.

It consisted of two pressed steel plates that protected the front torso and groin. The plates were 2 mm (.08") and weighed 3.5 kg (7.7 lbs).

Germans are very much appreciated trophy steel breastplates and even making copies of itself (in limited quantities and only for SS troops).

SN were wore with Soviet "Amoeba" camo suit or telogreika w/o sleeves which served as an additional shock absorber.

By modern standards, SN-42 meets Type II armor level.

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Stalynoi Nagrudnik is an essential part of Shturmovaya Inzhenerno-Sapernaya Bragada (eng; Assault Engineering-Sapper Brigade). These units were formed in spring-summer '43 right after Stalingrad battle and were intended to break the powerful enemy fortified defensive zones.

But the point is, these brigades were created by reorganization of active engineering units, and were made of battle hardened soldiers and high class specialists with huge combat experience.

SN-42 first appears in Red Army in 1942, and were used during Stalingrad battle.

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Do you guys remember maps like Rakowice and G
 
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badastle

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I like this idea for a cosmetic addition, I also like the sniper one as well. Great post with great intel and research. Good find on all the pics too for additional support of your post.
 

barakas

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This is an upgrade I wouldn't actually have a problem with even if it effected gameplay.

Characters gaining undeniably better skills (better stamina, better aiming etc) I think are disbalancing because they make good players even better.

However, for this, as long as you are made slower + less stamina while wearing it, I think it could be a balanced upgrade, and also sorta realistic (more realistic than MKB anyway).
 

Maj.Faux-Pas

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Isn't it in the HoS concept art? I think they wanted all sappers to look like that.

Germans all have assault outfits. All of them. Except for the commander who has a hat... and an assault outfit. Assault troops got those six clip pockets for MP40. Riflemen shouldn't have them, but they do. Why would a rifleman need six MP40 clips?

IMO they're working on it still. In RO1 you could see different gear on different classes.
 
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<*>Nora The Martyr

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Personally I think this is one of the coolest things ever.

ww2 body armor, whats not to love?
Bring this in!

If I had a game design team- I would Clone RO2 but add these features
- ability to throw back grenades
- knocked prone by artillery
- attach/detach bayonets!
- weapon shot out of hand!
- engineer BODY ARMOR
- customizable Loadouts & Avatars
- arm damage results in reduced iron-site accuracy
- tank crews can dismount tanks
- ability to ride on the sides of tanks

:)
 
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Colt .45 killer

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hmm so it sounds like something like this could stop a 9mm at max, so it would be mostly cosmetic & provide protection from grenade dmg.

( the 7.62x25 has much better penetration against armor than the 9mm )
 

Bluehawk

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Maybe it could stop pistol/SMG rounds, but a single impact would completely drain the suppression bar. That way we won't have cuirassiers of foot running around tearing it up in close quarters.
 
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Pprkut

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Some new info I manage to find.

47,000 SN-42's were made from Oct to Dec 1942.
They also could be produced in larger numbers, info above is only from one particular document (Resolution of the State Defense Committee № ГОКО-2442сс).

The conclusions on the combat use of SN-42 in one of the ShISB:
The breastplates should be used in assault groups:
a) 5 hits from SMG, Dist. 50-150 meters, plates are not pierced, dents.
b) 3 hits from a machine gun. Plates pierced men were killed. The distance unknown.
c) one fragmentation hit at 40-60 meters from the blast shell, hit on a tangent, only a scratch.


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SN-42 at "Stalingrad Battle" museum exposition.

Forget about run if wear that body armor !

It's only 3.5 kg (7.7 lbs), don't be silly :)

Maybe it could stop pistol/SMG rounds, but a single impact would completely drain the suppression bar. That way we won't have cuirassiers of foot running around tearing it up in close quarters.

Brilliant resolve may I say.
 
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<*>Nora The Martyr

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Maybe it could stop pistol/SMG rounds, but a single impact would completely drain the suppression bar. That way we won't have cuirassiers of foot running around tearing it up in close quarters.

Brilliant input- under 50 meters SMG rounds pierce.

Then a dice roll at ranges 50+ 100+ 150 meters?
 
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Richey79

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If this was only a cosmetic upgrade, it's the kind of thing that would be nice to see in the future as paid DLC (obviously allowing TWI to continue supporting the game with free maps / tank models etc.).

That and a female sniper hero for the Russians.
 
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bayonet boy

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This would be quite fantastic, especially considering Russian engineers actually used it in Stalingrad.

With reguards to it having a chance to stop pistol / SMG rounds at further than 50 meters + that would be interesting. The idea that it reduces stamina while running and totally drains stamina if you're hit in the armor is a decent balancing idea too.

Edit:
@down: People would expect it to actually offer some protection, looking at their character and seeing it has a dirty big plate armor infront of it. So you're right, a purely cosmetic version might lead to a bit of disapointment.
 
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rpxy24

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As a cosmetic unlock i think it would be misleading.. guy has a body armor that does nothing?

As a proper unlock i think it wouldn't work with the current running speed of engineers. They are already very slow, and even if the SN48 is not that heavy its cumbersomeness would require slowing the engineer even further.

Plus, making engineers immune to melee but face/leg hits doesn't sound that great.

This idea has potential but possible implementation would require way more brainstorming imho.

•Armor durability, ability to discard the armor when durability is low? (a pierced armor wouldn't be that efficient but still weighs roughly the same)
•A chance for bayonettes to go through?
•Slower stance switching speed (prone crouch stand) ?
•Trade the body armor for one of the grenades or satchel charges for better movement?

And more...
 

Unus Offa Unus Nex

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There are some slight inaccuracies in that first post mate, such as the distances the plates would protect you from certain weapons.

The 2mm plates of the SN-42 would for example only withstand a 9mm bullet from an MP40 at ranges of 100+ meters, and a 7.92x57mm rifle round would shoot straight through both plates even at 500 meters.

The std. 7.92mm s.S. round would penetrate 5mm of steel at 100 m, and 3 mm at 600 meters, whilst the almost as numerous S.m.E. round would penetrate roughly 10mm of steel at 100 meters, and 4mm at 600 meters. The S.m.E. round became std. in mid 1943, the s.S. round being reserved for sniper and machine gun use.
 

Unus Offa Unus Nex

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It's only 3.5 kg (7.7 lbs), don't be silly :)

That's the weight of each piece of plate mate, not the whole thing.

There's a reason the thing was deemed impractical and no other nation issued this kind of stuff. The Germana saw how useless these things were in WW1, and theirs were even thicker.
 

Justin MacDuro

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It's only 3.5 kg (7.7 lbs), don't be silly :)



Brilliant resolve may I say.



It's not jus the weight ... imagine yourself wearing that rigid metal armor on your chest and all your other equipement ... your movements will be for sure very limited for sure .Also s someone noticed it's just the weight of one part of the armor , not the full armor .

Actually engineers are slow guys due to the weight system and his equipement , imagine with pieces of plate armor ...
 
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