Big mistake by TWI.

[Uk1t4k3]

Okay first of all i'm not here to insult tripwire interactive. This thread is solely for spotting the mistakes found on this latest "Incendiary" content update. The reason i created this thread is because i found a particular update that isn't true to the "balancing and bug fixes" part.

Balance changes:

Sharpshooter:
Raised price of the Crossbow
Reduce the number of magazines carried for the M14
Increased the weight of the M14 and Crossbow so both cannot be carried at once

Now the part highlighted by bold text is the problem. Even before this patch the M14 and crossbow was never able to carry out together once so why would TWI increase the weight of M14 for? To proof them i'm right i have taken down screenshots of KF version 1013 before i update it to 1014.

The above pic is before the latest update and it prove that the m14 weight 6KG together with the standard 9mm+knife.

The above pic prove that crossbow weight 11KG with default weapons.

Conclusion: The latest update add in additional 2KG of weight for M14 mindlessly is unnecessary to the game. Unless TWI explanation is solely to increase the weight i'm fine with it but from the start it is not needed because you can't carry them both by all means necessary.

Discuss if u like to.

 

[WhiteTigerShiro]

The reasoning listed on the update notice is erroneous, but people WERE clamoring for the M14 to have its weight increased.

 

[Uk1t4k3]

The reasoning listed on the update notice is erroneous, but people WERE clamoring for the M14 to have its weight increased.

According to change log it is to stop both M14 and crossbow being together and my point is to prove them they don't have to do that. Well at least i did explain that i'm fine with the additional weight to stop sharpshooter from carry additional weapons.

 

[Entangler]

A weight increase definitely is one of the changes the M14 needed, but you're right to say it didn't have the described effect; that the two already could not be carried together was clearly evident. Also, the Crossbow's weight was not actually increased, either; it weighs the same 10 blocks that it did before. That's fine, because the Crossbow doesn't need a weight increase, but one is left to wonder how it ended up in the patch notes. I certainly hope they weren't written by anyone who actually made the changes - that really wouldn't inspire confidence, if you see what I mean...

 

[Uk1t4k3]

A weight increase definitely is one of the changes the M14 needed, but you're right to say it didn't have the described effect; that the two already could not be carried together was clearly evident. Also, the Crossbow's weight was not actually increased, either; it weighs the same 10 blocks that it did before. That's fine, because the Crossbow doesn't need a weight increase, but one is left to wonder how it ended up in the patch notes. I certainly hope they weren't written by anyone who actually made the changes - that really wouldn't inspire confidence, if you see what I mean...

Yes this is what i'm trying to explain and there should be a comprehensive change log to explain all the changes taken place.

 

[Yomommassis]

There had been reports of players being able to hold both a Crossbow and an M14 at the same time.

 

[Uk1t4k3]

There had been reports of players finding a way to hold both a Crossbow and an M14 at the same time.

Wow... bad news for those noobs then.

 

[meatloaf]

i can choose support and carry the m14 and the crossbow at the same time. the patch is broken! it doesn't even work!

ha. i win.

whenever i play sharpie i just choose the winchester and the deagles until wave seven. then it's crossbow time. i was never great with the m14

 

[9_6]

Wrong reasoning, right change.
Works for me. (I'll always hate the m14 though. It's not really something fixable)

 

[johnsons]

Wrong reasoning, right change.
Works for me. (I'll always hate the m14 though. It's not really something fixable)

yes,I hate the M14 too
I very enjoy to see a ss that carry M14 get wiped by FP

 

[Uk1t4k3]

Wrong reasoning, right change.
Works for me. (I'll always hate the m14 though. It's not really something fixable)

I'm not even proposing TWI to allow carrying both M14 and crossbow together. I'm merely stating the fact the updates doesn't help change the fact it's already impossible to carry both weapons previously. As for the additional weight i don't really care since i don't like M14 at all.

 

[wargasm1]

The chainsaw should have been made stronger and the commando didn't need to be nerfed, commando already can't do fp's and skrakes on multiplayer games now it's going to be worse.

New maps should have achievements on them and if u want my opinion the game was better before the patch, which makes this patch rather bad.

 

[Undedd Jester]

The commando didn't need to be nerfed, commando already can't do fp's and skrakes on multiplayer games now it's going to be worse.

In short, its not supposed to. Commando players haven't really done their job properly ever since the Scar came out. I've already printed a wall of text about it once, so I won't bore everyone with it again, but at least thats the balance on 1 class fixed.

Now the Mac 10 needs to be brought in line so the Firebug is balanced again, and the Xbow needs raining in, and we jsut might start getting close to an properly balanced game

 

[Deafmute]

In short, its not supposed to. Commando players haven't really done their job properly ever since the Scar came out. I've already printed a wall of text about it once, so I won't bore everyone with it again, but at least thats the balance on 1 class fixed.

Now the Mac 10 needs to be brought in line so the Firebug is balanced again, and the Xbow needs raining in, and we jsut might start getting close to an properly balanced game

Really, because on occasions that I did see crappy Commandos spraying at FPs and Scrakes, they got eaten rather quickly because it didn't work. Now I'm completely useless if my teammate is being mauled by a big guy and there are no immediate threats around. Sweet. All it needed was a mag reduction. The damage was fine - the less ammo, the less likely people are to shoot things they aren't supposed to. That was the whole logic behind the EBR nerf, right?

Considering how long it took for these relatively simple tweaks to take place, I highly doubt we'll be seeing "reigning in" of ANY class within the next, oh, year or so. Also, the fact that the Xbow wasn't even touched aside from the price suggests that Tripwire has no intention of fixing it.

 

[Uk1t4k3]

Lets not forget that everything stay the same for crossbow except the price is increase by twice the original but selling it refund u 600 dosh back. Even if the price of crossbow is over 9000 that doesn't change the fact u can always stock up bows by dropping them and respawning again.

 

[rckrdude]

Lets not forget that everything stay the same for crossbow except the price is increase by twice the original but selling it refund u 600 dosh back. Even if the price of crossbow is over 9000 that doesn't change the fact u can always stock up bows by dropping them and respawning again.

lol'd at the DragonballZ reference

 

[Deafmute]

Lets not forget that everything stay the same for crossbow except the price is increase by twice the original but selling it refund u 600 dosh back. Even if the price of crossbow is over 9000 that doesn't change the fact u can always stock up bows by dropping them and respawning again.

Yeah, and after a few waves 800 dosh isn't hard to get. At all. Probably have enough just in time for Scrake wave.

 

[-[SiN]-bswearer]

before this "update" you could never carry the M14EBR and the crossbow at the same time anyway.....unless you were a level6 support.

this "change" was completely pointless.

 

[Uk1t4k3]

before this "update" you could never carry the M14EBR and the crossbow at the same time anyway.....unless you were a level6 support.

this "change" was completely pointless.

Pointless for sharpshooter and yet had nothing to do with support.

 

[WhiteTigerShiro]

Now the Mac 10 needs to be brought in line so the Firebug is balanced again, and the Xbow needs raining in, and we jsut might start getting close to an properly balanced game

*Flashes his Grammar Police Badge*

Excuse me sir, but I believe the expression you are looking for is "to rein in", referring to the reins attached to a horse's bridle on which you would pull back when you want the horse to slow down or stop. Being "rained in" would be when a ball game gets canceled due to rainy weather (or perhaps it's "rained out"?).

*Puts badge away* Alright folks, let's carry-on. There's nothing further to see here.

Edit: That being said, I do agree. Slight nerf to the Mac10 and Crossbow (just enough so non-Sharpies can't 1-shot anything bigger than a Siren), and a slight buff to the Chainsaw so that it isn't just sale-fodder after Wave 1 to buy the Katana, and we might actually be hard-pressed to find something to cry about.