I don't remember the Soviers ever rejecting the AK47. The type 56 was milled at first too then in the 60s they came up with their own copy of the AKM. I imagine the milled 56 weighs pretty much the same as the original their both forged steel recievers. The milled 56 is an exact copy of the Type 3 russian the only differnce being the spike bayonet and hooded front sights.Its not 2Kg, it's less than (but clouse to) 1Kg (something like 850grams IIRC), and, you are comparing it to a Type-56, which is still made from 90% AK-47 parts, it only has the Stamped reciver, none of the other AKM parts (remember that most of them where lightened, not just the reciver), and even the reciver on the T56 is different, the barrel trunion on the T56 is not the same as on the AKM, you can even see it on the outside, look at where the 3 bolts that hold the trunion is placed on an AKM, and then a T56..
You need to compare 2 real Russians to get the weight difference between the 2 Russian weapons (but i know this is a tall order, i can't imagine there's many origional 1950's made AK-47's in the US, let alone ones that are still full-auto that people will let you handle, thouse that exist will likely be bring-back's from 'Nam).
I didn't pull thease numbers out of my hindquarters, go look it up, there is a weight difference between the 47 and the AKM, and with good reason, the weight of the gun was one of the things Kalashnikov set out to improve on the AKM when the red army rejected the 47.
Hell that alone makes my point, they rejected the AK-47 after less than 10 years of service, yet they adopted the AKM despite it competing against other excellent designs like the Korobov TKB-517 Prototype, and they have been using the AKM ever since, it is still in active service in Russia along side it's siblings like the 74 and 100 models which are based on it's design.
They did this because the AKM was a big enough improvement over the 47 to warrent it, it was lighter, cheaper, and it was a better shooter, it is by all means the better of the 2 designs for military purposes (and i still stress the military part, American hobby shooters comparing a well made Arsenal SAM-7 to a cheap and nasty Semi-only Romy wont see the points in the AKM's favour, and i don't blame them, but things would look quite different to a Russian soldier ano 1961).
i too hate modern weapons. Even though war is a terrible thing, warfare is ruined forever.
I don't remember the Soviers ever rejecting the AK47.
The type 56 was milled at first too then in the 60s they came up with their own copy of the AKM. I imagine the milled 56 weighs pretty much the same as the original their both forged steel recievers. The milled 56 is an exact copy of the Type 3 russian the only differnce being the spike bayonet and hooded front sights.
i too hate modern weapons. Even though war is a terrible thing, warfare is ruined forever.
I lol'ed at that statement....
hm, as much as i love playing world war 2 games, in reality, war does suck a lot. you want to read some books on the somme, verdun, stalingrad, and Sven Hassels books. Reading them really showed me what the soldiers went through. Now lets keep on topic
you want to read some books on the somme, verdun, stalingrad, and Sven Hassels books.
Yeah what the hell does Sven Hassel have to do with accurate accounts of war...
Maybe he isn't accurate but, he really gives that gritty and merciless atmosphere in his books.
In case you never knew, the Taiwanese people already got there first.Probably HK416. At least every super special elite unit is trying to get their hands on it.
There's a difference between one piston and the other. And the whole harmonization between the different working groups plays a big part too. And with that, HK seem to have simply hit the nail on the head. Orders at least seem to prove them right.In case you never knew, the Taiwanese people already got there first.
They have a T91. And way before that, the T65. Piston ARs have been made for forever.
Oh and the Taiwanse piston ARs actually are designed specifically for piston-operation.
The thin op-rod and the short-stroke design isn't very good for the HK416's longevity.
Conclusion: HK416 and the recent piston ARs are nothing new. Not even close.
Aha, and what other than national pride makes you think so?The best assault rifle to me would probably be the Robinson Arms XCR. Even if they've only made 4500, the design is sound, and it's pretty bulletproof.
That's like saying a Sig 550 was an AK (oh snap you even did that): way oversimplifying reality. The G36 including all subparts are so easy to clean it's a joke, it doesn't get that dirty in the first place. And that is from personal experience. You can probably ask a few others here on the forum who spent what felt like the majority of three months basic training cleaning guns, I'm sure they'll tell you the same. The differences between it and the SA80 are pretty significant to say the least. Just because they basically work on the same principle doesn't mean the final product is nearly the same.G36, XM8, SA80, and even the Bushmaster ACR are really just tacti-cooled AR-18s. Yes, it's good, but it still has the hard-to-clean star-shaped bolt.
I wonder how you can say that about a gun you have zero experience with.If I would choose "most advanced rifle evar" then it'd have to go to the South-Koreans and their K11s.
They've managed to make an OICW when we failed.