Battlefield commission for riflemen only.

[Vesper11]

The title says it all. Riflemen (not the elite ones) get little love and most people try to choose anything but them. So a battlefield commission (which is score based thus those who try to go for objectives will have a higher chance of getting it) will give them a little bonus (and probably increase their numbers) so even a slow loading Ivan or Fritz with pos PC can become marksman or another class if they prove their worth to the motherland/fatherland. It may also create a competition between riflemen, leading to them to more agressive objective based gameplay (thus reducing camping a bit).

p.s. And because all of the riflemen get the same weapon, the competition will be fair.

 

[Nezzer]

Battlefield commission is ridiculously stupid. An assault trooper who caps and kills a lot can steal the sniper's class, who gets a lot less points because of his role.

 

[Vesper11]

Battlefield commission is ridiculously stupid. An assault trooper who caps and kills a lot can steal the sniper's class, who gets a lot less points because of his role.

But it will reward the least usable class and marksman is always the guy with the fastest PC.

 

[Nezzer]

But it will reward the least usable class and marksman is always the guy with the fastest PC.

Better than having a Rambo as a Marksman trying to run 'n gun.

 

[Vesper11]

Better than having a Rambo as a Marksman trying to run 'n gun.

I'm not sure I get your point.

 

[Faneca]

Better than having a Rambo as a Marksman trying to run 'n gun.

Oh God, please don't mention Rambos.
I was playing a few days ago on one of TWB's Hardcore Realism servers and a German MGer named Madjack was utterlty rapping my squad in the Barracks.
I got so mad I couldn't believe it.

 

[Thaelyn]

The title says it all. Riflemen (not the elite ones) get little love and most people try to choose anything but them. So a battlefield commission (which is score based thus those who try to go for objectives will have a higher chance of getting it) will give them a little bonus (and probably increase their numbers) so even a slow loading Ivan or Fritz with pos PC can become marksman or another class if they prove their worth to the motherland/fatherland. It may also create a competition between riflemen, leading to them to more agressive objective based gameplay (thus reducing camping a bit).

p.s. And because all of the riflemen get the same weapon, the competition will be fair.

Until the battlefield promotion gives people a head's up that they're getting booted from their role, I personally think it should be disabled. That said, I strongly disagree with you basic premise that only riflemen should be eligible. Leave the possibility for anyone to get it, or make it impossible for anyone to get it.

 

[Vesper11]

That said, I strongly disagree with you basic premise that only riflemen should be eligible. Leave the possibility for anyone to get it, or make it impossible for anyone to get it.

As for booting notification yes, but its not about it. The deal is that there are less riflemen in game than it was IRL (where most were riflemen, even though soviets had a lot of SMGs) and many people would like to see it changed. Commission is a little something to make rifleman a more attractive class to play. I think its much more useful this way than just leaving it for everyone. If you want to play a specific class, you get it, if you cant, you can take less desirable rifleman and try to earn it.

It'll be a choice: you get what you can or you take rifleman and try to get what you want, there will be no in-between like playing elite rifleman (which is more efficient and easier to high score with than rifleman) and then booting a marksman for free cookies.

 

[Thaelyn]

I do get that this is an attempt to make the rifleman role more attractive, I just don't agree that this is the way to do it. No offense intended, we just don't see eye to eye.

 

[Goten]

Worst idea so far. I thought you were bad at quoting, I see now that's just the beggining ...
You already have a Random Promotion (besides the one you get for the biggest score). Now you want a promotion for a class ? Cool ...

@Nezzer: No assalt class, I repet NOBODY who plays assalt and they are good at this, wants to play sniper ! For assalt that's just a stupid role. Someone who enjoys "running, gunning and capping" doesn't want to stay in a bush waiting for something to happened.
And even if they do want to take your sniper (again, I don't see why, maybe just for the achivements) they deserve to do that. If that assalt guy finished first he probably won you the round. While you or someone else got 15 kills in the round and capped nothing, that guy got 40 and capped allmost if not all of the objectives. And TE at least is about capping, putting your neck on the line, not staying in the safe zone getting some kills. I can't tell you how much respawning it takes as an assalt. A sniper respawns what ... 2-3 a round ?

Rifleman role is not attractive, well only for a few people who love the bolt. Even in RO1 the assault slots filled up first. It's just like in the real war: you want a better gun, it's as simple as that.

Yes, I agree about the notification: it's wierd when you've been "replaced".

 

[Vesper11]

You already have a Random Promotion (besides the one you get for the biggest score). Now you want a promotion for a class ? Cool ...

Rifleman role is not attractive, well only for a few people who love the bolt. Even in RO1 the assault slots filled up first. It's just like in the real war: you want a better gun, it's as simple as that.

The title says Battlefield commission for riflemen only. No one else will be getting commissions. In real war Zaitsev was awarded with sniper rifle for his accuracy, he became one of the best sniper and had his own school. BTW it was in Stalingrad and he was a rifleman before that. In real war soviet guard units recieved better equipment (including semi-auto rifles) because they would put it to good use and they knew the value of maintenance, it was the same with any other country. They didnt get the "better gun" because they were lucky to get trained for it, they were the majority, the riflemen and they earned their title and "gun".

p.s. Its always a pleasure to get marksman, you can sit back and relax shooting guys at a distance and its a rare opportunity to be able to get one.

 

[Colt .45 killer]

IF riflemen once again become 60% of a team then I wouldnt mind seeing this. If I can take my K98 and outkill and out perform somone using a mp40, then I should have the option to take it.

 

[Machete234]

I like the bolt, its damn accurate at 100m+

 

[Cpt-Praxius]

Oh God, please don't mention Rambos.
I was playing a few days ago on one of TWB's Hardcore Realism servers and a German MGer named Madjack was utterlty rapping my squad in the Barracks.
I got so mad I couldn't believe it.

Then learn new tactics to counter him.... every tactic has a weak spot.

If someone is running and gunning, then let them come to you and ambush their arse..... if someone is camping a bottleneck with an MG and killing your team, then either flank or start lobbing grenades around the corner.

Nobody has a clear advantage over anybody else unless you let them.

In regards to the Battlefield Commissions only being given to riflemen, while I understand the reasoning behind it, I also see some contradictions:

"Riflemen (not the elite ones) get little love and most people try to choose anything but them."

So we give the Riflemen the opportunity to do the exact same thing you're complaining about and pick something other than Riflemen.

Giving BC's to only riflemen will not prevent your problem of everybody picking the "Better" classes.... people will still be picking every other class and even if a riflemen boots them out of their spot due to a BC, that just means that person becomes a riflemen and the riflemen becomes their class and the same amount of semi-autos and SMG's are still on the map..... and if it goes to a round 3, then those new riflemen will have the chance to take their role back and throw the original rifleman back into rifleman status.... thus it doesn't exactly solve the problem as it just creates a similar problem where people with those slow machines will still complain that they only got to use a specific class one round while were still stuck using riflemen class for 2 rounds out of three and someone else will propose yet another idea to try and fix that.

I only use battlefield commissions to make sure the class I'm currently using doesn't get taken away and I just pick it again.... only once did I take a class from someone else with it.

But your idea did just made me think of something that might meet what you're trying to accomplish, but it's a little different so I'll post another thread......

 

[Goten]

p.s. Its always a pleasure to get marksman, you can sit back and relax shooting guys at a distance and its a rare opportunity to be able to get one.

So idea is to transform the most useful rifleman (the one who goes after objectives - that's you saying - I'm not truncating like others) into a useless camper. I don't think it's better for the guy (obviously he likes to play like an assault if he goes for the objectives - which is good) and it's not better for the team when a capper goes camper.

Also ... promotion by classes is to ... inappropriate. You make it for one class, the others will want. What's next ? The best MGer ?

 

[Sensemann]

Whenever I receive a battlefield commission, I decline it because I think it's unfair to kick somebody else out of the class he is playing and because I usually enjoy what I am currently doing. The only real switches I do in a round is to switch from rifleman to assault or from assault to riflman, depending on what way I want to play. Usually, the rounds are not that long anyway so there is no real sense to switch classes all the time.

On the other hand, when I play a class and I enjoy it the most awful immersion killer is to get kicked out of your class. This is a roundbreaker for me. I tend to quit from the server because of this because the gameflow was interrupted.

 

[Nezzer]

Then learn new tactics to counter him.... every tactic has a weak spot.

If someone is running and gunning, then let them come to you and ambush their arse..... if someone is camping a bottleneck with an MG and killing your team, then either flank or start lobbing grenades around the corner.

Nobody has a clear advantage over anybody else unless you let them.

What about the recoilless hip-firing MG-34 lvl 50 on CQC maps? How can you counter that? It's 10x more effective than an MKB'er.

inb4yousayit'sperfectlyfineandcompletelyrealisticexactlyhowitwasinthemod

 

[skullman86]

If you are any class other than rifleman, there is really no point to the commission because you probably already have the kit that you want. Letting the lowly rifleman advance to a better role for being the best out of his peers sounds like a pretty good idea.

Of course, TW still needs to add notifications for the commission (for people being demoted) and fix the way it randomly keeps you from spawning if you receive or are demoted by it.

 

[Kerc Kasha]

i've found that this is already in the game as every time I play riflemen and play very well(high on the score board) I usually always get a battlefield commission. It's the same for every other class just play the best you can and you'll get one

 

[LordKhaine]

What about the recoilless hip-firing MG-34 lvl 50 on CQC maps? How can you counter that? It's 10x more effective than an MKB'er.

Blimey, exaggerate much? Recoiless? I don't think so. 10x more effective? Do you really think that? People might pay more attention to you if you didn't wildly exaggerate.

But the idea of giving battlefield commissions for riflemen only is a bad idea. Say a person in a non-riflemen role does his job flawlessly and gets the highest score and helps his team massively. Way down the scorelist is a riflemen who isn't doing much. End of the round comes and the battlefield commission falls through all the non-riflemen and the riflemen far down the scoreboard is offered it. He replaces the guy at the top...

Is that fair? Good for the team? Logical? The answer to all of those is no.

We can complain all we like about the sore lack of riflemen with much justification. But this isn't the solution.