[Game] Battlefield 3

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LightsabeR

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The DLC is free for everyone who pre-ordered and has been known about now for MONTHS and isn't even out until December.

Stop over reacting.
Or, you know, they could have just had the maps free for everyone. There's this crazy notion that MP games should come out with a big selection of maps to offer more variety.

I really find it funny how you're trying to justify this. What about the sensible people who wanted to wait for the game to come out, read more in depth reviews, maybe check out some gameplay footage on the web, talk to other people and ask how the game is? They need to pay extra, because they don't have blind faith in EA/DICE?

But the people who blindly pre-order games based on trailers should be rewarded? How the **** does this make sense?

And don't even think about saying "but there was an open beta". It only had one ****ty infantry map. For a while Caspian Border was open as well, but the servers were always full and if you did get in, half the team was camping the jets and most of the others were just clueless and did nothing useful.
 

PUTZ

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There are 864 combinations of map/size/gametype/playstyle. I'd say that's pretty diverse. That's not even counting customizations...

Countless games these days offer pre-order incentives, that can be purchased later if you so choose. Getting butthurt that you didn't get something for free is just childish. KF, for example, when it's on sale, you can get all the DLCs for 20 cents. Right now, Saints Row has 3 pre-order items. RO2 had the bayonets for people who owned RO1. The list goes on and on...

And I didn't "blindly pre-order". I liked BF2 and BC2, and since all of my friends would eventually be picking up BF3, I'd do the same. There's more to people's game selections than "does it have everything they'll ever make at launch". Pfeh.
 
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Or, you know, they could have just had the maps free for everyone. There's this crazy notion that MP games should come out with a big selection of maps to offer more variety.

+1

The majority of DLC is nothing more than a cynical money grab. Map packs are probably the best example of this. Black Ops has multiple map packs going for
 
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Good option is to wait for GOTY edition, with all released DLCs (I guess there will be a lot of them), but most likely at that time BF4 or BC3 will be around too.
 

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Or, you know, they could have just had the maps free for everyone. There's this crazy notion that MP games should come out with a big selection of maps to offer more variety.

I really find it funny how you're trying to justify this. What about the sensible people who wanted to wait for the game to come out, read more in depth reviews, maybe check out some gameplay footage on the web, talk to other people and ask how the game is? They need to pay extra, because they don't have blind faith in EA/DICE?

But the people who blindly pre-order games based on trailers should be rewarded? How the **** does this make sense?

And don't even think about saying "but there was an open beta". It only had one ****ty infantry map. For a while Caspian Border was open as well, but the servers were always full and if you did get in, half the team was camping the jets and most of the others were just clueless and did nothing useful.
+1
It not about the game anymore, it's about the money you silly.
 
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LightsabeR

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There are 864 combinations of map/size/gametype/playstyle. I'd say that's pretty diverse. That's not even counting customizations...
9 maps + 4 with DLC (or if you pre-ordered). There are 4 different gametypes (counting Conquest and Conquest 64 as one). Lets face it, few people play BF games for Team Deathmatch, so that really leaves 3 gametypes.

From what I hear, quite a few of those 9 stock maps are rather poorly made and don't really feel like Battlefield maps. Too much CQC, too small, flags too close together, etc.

So I have no idea where you pulled that 864 combinations, but that's a gross exaggeration.
Countless games these days offer pre-order incentives, that can be purchased later if you so choose. Getting butthurt that you didn't get something for free is just childish. KF, for example, when it's on sale, you can get all the DLCs for 20 cents. Right now, Saints Row has 3 pre-order items. RO2 had the bayonets for people who owned RO1. The list goes on and on...
Firstly, I'm not butthurt. I didn't buy BF3 nor do I plan to. Moving on...

So it's ok because all the big boys are doing it? I don't think so. But I guess most people don't see it that way and happily pre-order games without having a clue about its quality and spend an equal amount of money within half a year after launch on DLC's.
And I didn't "blindly pre-order". I liked BF2 and BC2, and since all of my friends would eventually be picking up BF3, I'd do the same. There's more to people's game selections than "does it have everything they'll ever make at launch". Pfeh.
That's fine. Apparently you had plenty of incentives to buy the game. Honestly tho, at least for me, the "well my friends are getting it, so I guess I'll get it too" is a poor argument in favor of a game.

But how does that justify punishing the more cautious customers who wish to wait for the game to be released in order to get a clearer picture of what the game's about and if it's living up to people's expectations?

I think we can be honest there. Pre-order bonuses are meant to entice people who are on the fence about getting the game to decide purchase it. Fans will get the game anyway, pay however much you ask them to pay, and be happy to do so. It's the people who are not quite there yet that need the extra enticement.

Because after the game comes out and they hear something negative about it, they might consider not buying it. But if they've already been tricked into pre-ordering, then they'll have no choice but to like it and due to human nature, will be more prone to look over its shortcomings.
 
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PUTZ

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1: Simple math...(without insinuations of what is and isn't a gametype or blahblahblahit'snotbattlefieldbs)

9 (maps) x 4 (16,24,32,64p versions) x 4 (game modes) x 6 (game types) = 864 combinations

2: If you look down upon those maps thus, why do you want to play them? If you don't value them, don't buy them...simple as that.

And how is that punishment if you don't have them???
 

LightsabeR

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1: Simple math...(without insinuations of what is and isn't a gametype or blahblahblahit'snotbattlefieldbs)

9 (maps) x 4 (16,24,32,64p versions) x 4 (game modes) x 6 (game types) = 864 combinations
Those are not insinuations, that's called common sense. Are you telling me that people buy BF games to play CQC infantry TDM matches?

I've read the complaint about many maps being poorly designed (flag locations) or simply too constraining from many BF vets.

That number is silly. Nobody thinks about variations like that. People usually have one or two favorite game types which they prefer over others. They also have a limited amount of maps that they like more than others.

So in reality, instead of the arbitrary numbers that you are using, variety comes from a greater number of maps. Everything else is secondary.
2: If you look down upon those maps thus, why do you want to play them? If you don't value them, don't buy them...simple as that.
The 4 DLC maps are most likely (if they didn't nuder them), the better maps in the game. If I wanted to play those maps exclusively and not pre-order the game, then I see it as a punishment that I have to pay extra.
And how is that punishment if you don't have them???
Are you serious? I think it's pretty clear. Maybe you just don't want to see it.

Cautious buyers, who want to get more info about the game before deciding to buy it, are required to pay extra, if they wish to have the game in its entirety. That's punishment.
 

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This is funny, whilst being hacking stats is pretty granted in the PC version of the game there are in fact console "stat boosters":
Battlefield 3 - Stat Boosting - YouTube
This video has made has made me want to take the stats system out of my games (even RO2), piss on it and then throw it into a fire...
 

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Lightsaber, you can't just toss out a game type just because it's your opinion that it shouldn't count. You're throwing out facts for opinion.

You're seriously complaining that there is optional DLC coming out that you don't have to purchase, that was announced as being free for all people who pre-ordered, and was not going to be out for a couple of months after the game's release? You're honestly trying to make it like you or non-pre-order buyers being forced into purchasing this optional content when that simply isn't the case.

Stop acting like you're owed or are entitled to anything.
 
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LightsabeR

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Lightsaber, you can't just toss out a game type just because it's your opinion that it shouldn't count. You're throwing out facts for opinion.
I'm not saying that everyone will prefer the same game types or maps that I would. I'm saying everyone has their favorites and those that they dislike. Which means that the number that PUTZ put together is absolutely ridiculous.
You're seriously complaining that there is optional DLC coming out that you don't have to purchase, that was announced as being free for all people who pre-ordered, and was not going to be out for a couple of months after the game's release?
*sigh*

I'm saying that this content should have been part of the game, not sold separately afterwards or put there to entice people to blindly pre-order.

I'm saying it's wrong to punish customers who wish to verify the quality of what they are purchasing before actually investing the money.
Stop acting like you're owed or are entitled to anything.
I'm not acting like anything. I don't feel EA owes me anything. I just feel that they, and many other big publishers, are bastardizing the gaming industry and I'm frustrated that apparently the majority of people are happily going along with it.


PS! To whoever is downvoting my posts because they disagree with my opinion, you're really petty. I don't care about the rep, I'm only saying this because I don't want people to think that I'm downvoting those who I'm currently arguing with.
 
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Colt .45 killer

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The DLC is free for everyone who pre-ordered and has been known about now for MONTHS and isn't even out until December.

Stop over reacting.

Well, there's another game that came out recently that has set my policy on pre orders to 'never again'. Care to guess which?


@Lightsaber, sorry mate I ran out of +rep today. I agree with the sentiment here, and Rez nailed it.
 
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Pectus

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Haters gonna hate.

There was a beta open to all that ran for 7 days(?), plenty of time to decide whether to preorder or not.
 
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