Balance AT gun and tanks

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Six_Ten

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Don't be so sure. In RO1, the sdkfz was virtually impervious to the AT rifle. Took 6 shots to kill it, no matter where you hit, and no systems or passengers could be damaged. Hopefully they'll do a better job with the modeling this time so they don't have to give it such a silly HP effect.

That isn't true. You can one-shot the engine, stopping the halftrack immediately.

Edit: I can one-shot the engine, stopping the halftrack immediately. But then, I have practiced.
 
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Six_Ten

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I think the AT gun is totally unbalanced.

I've been an AT soldier countless time, wasting all my ammo on one tank, shooting at the weakspots (well what I think are weakspots: side, back) with no effect. I once fired a total of 30 AT rounds at a single tank and he was still moving, it seemed even unharmed.

Other people however, who know where the engine is, can fire a single round and blow up the engine.

I'll think of a suggestion how to make this more balanced without it being too unrealistic but the way it is now it's just not fun to be an AT gunner nor a tank commander :(

What do you think ? Balanced ? Unbalanced ?

So you say that because you aren't any good with the AT rifle, while acknowledging that others are, it should be changed? Why don't you practice and learn how to use it properly? It is a fine weapon and deadly against tanks when used by a guy who knows what he's doing.
 

Papa Lazarou

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You do know that this game is supposed to be realistic. Right?

It's more realistic than other games.

It's not 100% realistic and it shouldn't be. It would be boring if it was.

I'll say it again. In games fun > realism
 

Papa Lazarou

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So you say that because you aren't any good with the AT rifle, while acknowledging that others are, it should be changed? Why don't you practice and learn how to use it properly? It is a fine weapon and deadly against tanks when used by a guy who knows what he's doing.

Where did I say that ?

All I'm trying to say is that it should be more balanced.

One shot = instant kill tank is not what I call balance.

You never answered my question. Why do you think it is (un)balanced ?
 
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Cwivey

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Learning curves can't be balanced. Know the weapon, know the tank you are firing at.

If that fails, just anoy the fudge out of the tank commander and let your tank take him out. xd
 

Papa Lazarou

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Learning curves can't be balanced. Know the weapon, know the tank you are firing at.

If that fails, just anoy the fudge out of the tank commander and let your tank take him out. xd

Yeah I get that I suck and that I need to learn the class better :p. But that's not what needs to be balanced.

The AT gun shouldn't be a one shot kill weapon against the tanks. That's what need to be balanced


AT gunners need more ammo so newbs like me can learn the class and not always run out of ammo. Is something I would also like

That's what I think anyway, what do you think ?
 
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Six_Ten

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So you say that because you aren't any good with the AT rifle, while acknowledging that others are, it should be changed? Why don't you practice and learn how to use it properly? It is a fine weapon and deadly against tanks when used by a guy who knows what he's doing.

Where did I say that ?

Right here:

I've been an AT soldier countless time, wasting all my ammo on one tank, shooting at the weakspots (well what I think are weakspots: side, back) with no effect. I once fired a total of 30 AT rounds at a single tank and he was still moving, it seemed even unharmed.

Other people however, who know where the engine is, can fire a single round and blow up the engine.

And here:

- The AT gun should get more ammo so a noob like me can learn the class without instantly running out of ammo.

Why do you think it is (un)balanced ?

If some players can one-shot a tank, or disable it with a few well-placed shots, and you cannot, it doesn't mean the weapon is unbalanced or balanced, it means you don't know how to use it.

You haven't learned to use the weapon, but rather than putting the time in practicing, you want the weapon loadout to be changed to suit you. Go practice.
 

Mormegil

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Another suggestion I have is that shooting the engine of a tank should take 2-3 hits at least before it blows up.

I don't think you can blow up the tank with engine shots. I'm pretty sure you need to hit the ammo stores to brew it. Hitting the engine will just stop the tank cold.
 

Andrew Blake

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I don't think you can blow up the tank with engine shots. I'm pretty sure you need to hit the ammo stores to brew it. Hitting the engine will just stop the tank cold.

You can blow it up by shooting just the engine. I know because I have done it, filled russian tank engine with 5 shots, boom.
 

Unus Offa Unus Nex

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This game is made realistic and unhistorical in favour of the germans..

No please, not this again.

The game does NOT favour the Germans, and TWI did NOT try to make it favour them either. Each side has weapons & equipment ingame that it didn't have available during the real battle, no side was favoured.
 

Papa Lazarou

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Right here:

And here:

If some players can one-shot a tank, or disable it with a few well-placed shots, and you cannot, it doesn't mean the weapon is unbalanced or balanced, it means you don't know how to use it.

You haven't learned to use the weapon, but rather than putting the time in practicing, you want the weapon loadout to be changed to suit you. Go practice.

You are still connecting things that shouldn't be connected. Again. Where did I state that the gun should be nerfed because I don't want to practice ? Stop reading into things !


I gave myself sucking as an example so people could relate. Not everyone is a master in the class like you and can one-shot a tank. I rarely see people play the AT gunner class, that's why I thought I gave the example.

learn how to read:
-The AT gun shouldn't be a oneshot kill weapon. (THIS IS FOR THE SAKE OF BALANCE)

-The AT gun should have more ammo for newbs to learn the class (THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD ALSO LIKE, NOT FOR BALANCE REASONS)

Got it now ?

You haven't even answered my question once. All you do is read into things that aren't there.
 
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Avtomat

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It's more realistic than other games.

It's not 100% realistic and it shouldn't be. It would be boring if it was.

I'll say it again. In games fun > realism

It's not 100% realistic and it shouldn't be. It would be boring if it was.

It would be boring if it was

be boring if it was


Go play COD:WAW

Its more "FUN"

CoD: WaW "PPSh-41 FTW!" - YouTube

The same and more weapons then in RO2
Tanks too and even americans and japs.
What else can you wish for?
 

Faneca

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This game is made realistic and unhistorical in favour of the germans..

Unhistoricly in favor of the Germans? May I need to remind you that the Germans got the point of owning over 90% of Stalingrad?
It was Chukov's massive counter-attack (Operation Uranus) that broke the Nazi satellite nation's defense and encircled the Germans inside Stalingrad and just squeezed them until they could no longer fight.
The Wehrmacht kept steamrolling everything in its path.
It was the massive ruins and remarkable entrenchment of the Soviets that allowed for a German defeat.
The Germans are preety much superior in everything compared to the Soviets.
 
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Too bad TWI has a history of creating pathetic armor values for vehicles that are nowhere near the real thing. Happend in RO:Ost where Pz III s were calassified as light tanks. PzIII will be a light tank in HOS.
You are 100% correct. If you open the RO I game code the Panzer III L has 30 mm of frontal armor instead of the correct value of 70 mm. Intentional nerfage which was never corrected. To this day the T60 on Hedgehog will easily frontally kill the III L which, realistically, should never happen.



This game is made realistic and unhistorical in favour of the germans
We shall see. When the III J is released with armor nerfed again, balanced with the T70, equipped with a short 50 mm weapon, and equipped with cardboard armor vs the PTRS, I will remind you of your own words.
 

Papa Lazarou

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Go play COD:WAW

Its more "FUN"

The same and more weapons then in RO2
Tanks too and even americans and japs.
What else can you wish for?

If you're not going to bother with a normal discussion why should I ?

if you want realism go play a simulator (see I can do the same things as you).

This game isn't 100% realistic and I still stand by that in games fun >>>>> realism.
 
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Papa Lazarou

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What else can you wish for?

A game exactly like RO2 but with a more balanced AT gun that can't kill a tank in a single shot. Maybe some extra ammo for the AT gun.

If you're not going to bother responding to why you think the AT gun is balanced or not, why are you even in this thread ?
 
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