Balance and other things, a note from Yoshi.

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izak

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 11, 2009
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Just like I said earlier in some other topic, Im sure theyll be working on the balancing issues once they have time for it, so be patient. And oh look, thats exactly what Yoshi is saying.

Have some faith guys :)

I dunno, its kind of like saying i will go to heaven. It wont happen until it does, and until then im left wondering if it will. And and making assumptions from recent events it wont.

:D faith was an excellent word for it. Kudos.
 

Pornhorse

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 2, 2009
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Houston, TX
I'll probably catch **** for this, but I don't see anything wrong with the weapons and balances as is, well, aside from the Zerker nerf. I've been playing with my friends alot lately to try and get the disgusting taste of those teenie-wienie l4d2 gameplay/guns combo out of my mouth and I can tell you that at least to me everything seems fine. I got all my perks up to 5 and 6 stars and I'm still hearing all these complaints about the m14 / Xbow being over powered. Well then I present the question: what's the point of leveling up if it's just going to be nerfed down to nothing?
 

omarfw

FNG / Fresh Meat
Jun 13, 2009
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Here Be Dragons
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I'll probably catch **** for this, but I don't see anything wrong with the weapons and balances as is, well, aside from the Zerker nerf. I've been playing with my friends alot lately to try and get the disgusting taste of those teenie-wienie l4d2 gameplay/guns combo out of my mouth and I can tell you that at least to me everything seems fine. I got all my perks up to 5 and 6 stars and I'm still hearing all these complaints about the m14 / Xbow being over powered. Well then I present the question: what's the point of leveling up if it's just going to be nerfed down to nothing?

I don't see anything horribly wrong with it either, but I must admit the game seems too easy at times. Especially with a group of skilled players.
 

SgtShaftoe

FNG / Fresh Meat
Nov 15, 2009
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Aww man, this is great! With any luck, this will cut down on the torrential downpour of redundant weapon posts. (although somehow, I doubt this).

Thanks for the post, I have to admit, I was getting a little worried. Now that I know for sure that TWI is aware and focusing on the problems (Not before their holidays of course), I can rest easy. Take as much time as you want devs, you have done more work than most companies do for their $50 and $60 games post release. Excellent work.
 

smilin

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 19, 2009
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Yoshiro, please consider that the input you get here is but a small fraction of the full community if you haven't thought of it already. A more accurate way for finding out your community's opinion is to do something akin to a survey. It may help a lot more than just select people on the forums throwing hate at everything they don't like.

YES.

Please do not fix something that isn't broken just because of a very vocal minority. I am happy with the game balance as it is.
 

nath2009uk

FNG / Fresh Meat
May 25, 2009
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It wouldn't surprise me if the ones who say it IS balanced use the xbow themselves to decap Fleshpounds.

It's like saying the Pipebomb spamming is completely balanced and normal and shouldn't be fixed. The pipebomb spamming for instantly killing my good friend Kevin that is.
You could survive a 6man suicidal with everyone just using the Xbox, you probably wouldnt even have to be a sharpshooter. But you couldn't do the same with the 4000 quid AA12.
 

Wildcolt

FNG / Fresh Meat
Oct 26, 2009
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It wouldn't surprise me if the ones who say it IS balanced use the xbow themselves to decap Fleshpounds.

It's like saying the Pipebomb spamming is completely balanced and normal and shouldn't be fixed. The pipebomb spamming for instantly killing my good friend Kevin that is.
You could survive a 6man suicidal with everyone just using the Xbox, you probably wouldnt even have to be a sharpshooter. But you couldn't do the same with the 4000 quid AA12.
HEY! GAME IS BALANCED MKAY!? DEVS TOTALLY DEEP TESTED EVERY ASPECT AND YOUR A NOOB IF U THINK OTHERWISE! GAWD!!!

xP
 

Nanostrike

FNG / Fresh Meat
May 19, 2009
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HEY! GAME IS BALANCED MKAY!? DEVS TOTALLY DEEP TESTED EVERY ASPECT AND YOUR A NOOB IF U THINK OTHERWISE! GAWD!!!

xP

Yep. Not like they started this topic to say "Well...we MIGHT'VE unbalanced a few things..."
 

smilin

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 19, 2009
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It wouldn't surprise me if the ones who say it IS balanced use the xbow themselves to decap Fleshpounds.

It's like saying the Pipebomb spamming is completely balanced and normal and shouldn't be fixed. The pipebomb spamming for instantly killing my good friend Kevin that is.
You could survive a 6man suicidal with everyone just using the Xbox, you probably wouldnt even have to be a sharpshooter. But you couldn't do the same with the 4000 quid AA12.

If you must know:
I play Commando primarily, Demo, Sharpshooter, and medic. All Level 6 except the medic which is 5. Firbug, Support, and Zerker are at at 3+ so I'm not an utter noob in those.

The game is fine as is. Any weapon that is exceedingly strong also has an exceeding weakness. Sure a sharpie can XBow a FP but that doesn't make it overpowered. Don't believe me? Run a team of six sharpies with XBows and see what happens to you.
 

Deafmute

FNG / Fresh Meat
Oct 22, 2009
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knee deep in pussy.
If you must know:
I play Commando primarily, Demo, Sharpshooter, and medic. All Level 6 except the medic which is 5. Firbug, Support, and Zerker are at at 3+ so I'm not an utter noob in those.

The game is fine as is. Any weapon that is exceedingly strong also has an exceeding weakness. Sure a sharpie can XBow a FP but that doesn't make it overpowered. Don't believe me? Run a team of six sharpies with XBows and see what happens to you.

So what's the M14's weakness then?
 

[UIT] Akame

FNG / Fresh Meat
May 5, 2009
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My own personal hell
So what's the M14's weakness then?
It's expensive. Everyone knows that you can't get enough to buy it by the second round?
...
The balance between things is broken, as is the game-state in general. The game is too easy. If you can consistently beat the hardest difficulty (which also happens to be called suicidal) then any game is going to get boring real fast. There is no need to improve, so why do so?
 

izak

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 11, 2009
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or the iron sight that no one uses... no wait... that's an advantage... since ppl have the laser sight anywayz...

The iron site sucks and the laser site is ****. Often its WAY off from where it should be landing. I will be about 10-20 feet away from a zed in the center of my screen and it will paint the wrong zed, even if that second zed thats about 2+ feet away.

This tends to happen with clots. i dunno, its weird. Intentional?
 

Zeris

FNG / Fresh Meat
Dec 17, 2009
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Savannah, GA
www.destroyusall.com
The game is too easy.

I see this a lot, and I don't get it.

I don't play the game in public servers often, usually only with friends of mine on a server I host and we usually have four or five players, and we can't beat the Patriarch on Normal.

I have the highest perk set out of my friends, my perks are all level 3 except Field Medic which is 4, and I'm usually the medic for my team. It doesn't do a whole lot of good though when the Patriarch kills my teammates in one hit at close range, or chews them up before I have a chance to fire a dart with the mini-gun, or gets hit in the face with a rocket (happened to me more than once).

Not only that, but Normal is challenging for us in general. The jump from Beginner to Normal is pretty weird, in fact. Beginner is ridiculously easy, as it should be, but Normal is a pretty significant jump in terms of difficultly.

I understand that perks play a decent role in survivability, and I'm not claiming to be a badass at this game at all, I'm decent at the very best and I know my friends aren't amazing at it. I guess we're casual at best, definitely not 'hardcore' as some of you might put it.

What I'm saying is, by claiming that the game is 'too easy' for players that may know all the exploits in the maps, or ways to get the Patriarch 'glitched' (been in a game before where this was the goal, one of the few games I actually played in a public server), or players that have the time to grind out perks to max level in hours is kind of one-sided for players that just want to hop on with friends and play something they enjoy for a few hours every now and again.

Problem is, Beginner doesn't pose much of a challenge at all, and as I said before, the Patriarch eats us alive at the end of Normal.

That being said (yes, there was a reason for all of the above), I don't think the weapons are overpowered at all, seeing as we're using them on Normal and still get killed by the Patriarch, and find the regular waves of specimens to pose a good challenge.

Maybe some of you are 'omgwtf crazy good' at Killing Floor for one reason or another, but not all of us find it 'too easy' and enjoy what's there, instead of always whining for changes.

TL;DR - The game is fine the way it is, leave it alone and stop complaining. Just play.