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10-78 BusterKing

FNG / Fresh Meat
Feb 26, 2006
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www.10-78.com
I told my former clan mates when CoD 4 came out, that universal rankings and stats would destroy the gaming community as it was. No one seems to care about actually winning the match, just ranking up and unlocks. They didn't believe me. Not one of them is in a clan any longer....


I agree that this ranking bs is really hurting the clan community. Other games have used that excused for not releasing the dedicated server files. It also splits the community when your clan sticks around a game for a long time and relies on new content and it makes your server unranked if it's custom content. The pubs don't play on unranked servers.

I founded the 10-78 clan in 2003, we presently have 116 active members, we only had 3 new members joining us since Dec/2009.

Our clan plays mostly search & destroy with no respawning and we have our own internal ladders. I'm hoping that RO2 will be our main game but the lack of s&d (Countdown is a bust for us, capping just lacks in gameplay) might just kill the game for us. If it does, our clan will also be struggling to survive since we were counting a lot on RO2.

This game has a lot of potential if it caters to the clan community like they said they would. But we need them to listen to us and our needs.
 
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Rhym3z

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 4, 2011
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I myself have been looking to get into a good teamwork orientated clan ever since RO2 was released.
Its been a bit of a struggle i must say, and im still looking.

For me, the main appeal of RO and RO2 is to work as a co-ordinated team.
Unfortunately, teamwork doesnt seem to be viable/important in RO2.
 

Wodin

FNG / Fresh Meat
Mar 15, 2006
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The community is now split between the casual clans who play normal or relaxed and the hardcore RO vets who play realsitic. This in effect splits the communtiy. That and taking into account that a fair few old RO players just aren't happy with the game could mean a very quick demise for clans\units.

As for maoning about so few players on the RO servers towards the end...well every game has it's day and eventually people move on no matter how into it at the time they where.

@Rhym3z 305th ID are recruiting..will be your thing.
 
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Cpt-Praxius

FNG / Fresh Meat
Dec 12, 2005
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Is the clan scene dead, is it just this game or is it the public gone console crazy? Back in the day (get me) we were turning people away for enlistment in all the FPS we were running, RO1 included and that was niche for its time. Take a look in the clan forum here, it's a wasteland. I've had not a single query and I've seen precious little happening with the other guys trying to recruit in there either. And what there is going on in there seems a pretty even split between proper clans and general gaming collectives that run anything from FPS to Eve Online.

Is it a general trend? Where did all the clans go? There used to be hundreds of them, all turning people away because there were thousands looking to get hooked up and no space for them all. Now there's a handful, and all going short from what I can see.

Is there any way to find out how well RO2 is selling? Has it flopped? Or is it really just too hard-core for today's average gamer?

I'm glad I held off renting a server, that would have been money down the drain. I'm disappointed...nay, crushed! The first proper decent FPS in bloody years and relatively nobody wants to know!

Anyway...discuss, or something. I'm going to crawl into a corner and sob. :(

Just because there's very few Clans, doesn't automatically mean a game is a flop.... clans don't make the total population of a game.

I tried a clan way way back before RO, and quite honestly, I can't stand clans. I have a life that already revolves around a family & job.... I have no interest trying to revolve around the schedule of some clan for a video game, while also trying to abide by the way they want me to play and to fit into the role they want me to fit in.

I want to play the game the way I want to play. I want to pick the roles I want to pick.... I'm not about to start playing the game the way someone else wants me to.

Besides, I seem to get enough decent teamwork involved in a game from regular players.... ever tried to get a clan to help out or do something? If you're not a part of their special little group, they'll just troll you and do whatever they please, regardless if it ruins things for the rest of the team. (Not all of course, but enough)

Just saying, and to each their own.... but I wouldn't chalk up the success of a game based on how many clans there are.

Personally speaking, I think clans are kind of going the way of the dodo.
 
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VonPaulus

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 17, 2011
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Just because there's very few Clans, doesn't automatically mean a game is a flop.... clans don't make the total population of a game.

I tried a clan way way back before RO, and quite honestly, I can't stand clans. I have a life that already revolves around a family & job.... I have no interest trying to revolve around the schedule of some clan for a video game, while also trying to abide by the way they want me to play and to fit into the role they want me to fit in.

I want to play the game the way I want to play. I want to pick the roles I want to pick.... I'm not about to start playing the game the way someone else wants me to.

Same here.
 

Icey_Pain

FNG / Fresh Meat
Aug 8, 2011
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Just give it some time.

Currently most clans are still waiting until the game has patched it's core functionality in. There are just too many features missing that to me seem crucial in giving a solid experience.
What I would like to see:

1. Working statistics, currently the lack of statistics saving makes it possible for some people to get huge advantages over others due to the nature of unlocks.

2. Working Votekicking, currently you can initiate a votekick, but pressing F4 or F5 doesn't do anything, atleast not visibly.

3. Working Teamkill forgive, just like vote kicking it doesn't do anything visibly.

4. Preparation time in countdown, currently there's no way you can properly set up the teams without missing atleast one round.

5. Working VOIP, currently I'm just riddled at the lack of communication that's used over VOIP, I'm not even sure it works.

6. Balancing of the game, currently there are just too many things that don't make this a balanced game.

And that's just a few of the features that really really need to be working for the game to gain a clanbase.
 

Pinball Jones

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 7, 2011
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The Steam Community replaced Clan membership for me. Games like TF2 and L4D greatly expanded my network and it is easy enough to gather a group for a few laughs on any given night without the need to join a Clan. Clans are often too regimented and game-specific to cater to wider networks of people.
 

5thSSDW.KGW~CO

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 19, 2011
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There's a lot of food for thought in this thread, thanks guys. :)

I kind of hoped/thought the stats part of the game would actually be useful for clans, in the awards dept. But yes, I can see how it awards individualism at the expense of team-work because somebody in a team, being given a non-scoring role, is going to get the short end of a stick.

I'm getting the feeling TWI may have shot themselves in the foot. I know of numerous people who bought RO1 because it was required for a particular mod, but all of the mods relied on custom maps and mappers were very much part of a thriving clan scene. Kind of a self-sustaining circle whereas with RO2 so far I'm seeing something very linear...individual picks up the game for personal scoring and progresses up the ladder until he gets bored, just as with all of the other level-up style games. And then moves on.

But to what? More CoD-style stuff, where the soldier carries a sentry-gun in a magic handkerchief? Puh.

I dunno. I've tried both ends of the spectrum with this one I feel...a unit requiring nothing more than sharing a name and hitting the pubs (the penal battalion) and the 5thSS requiring the whole team-work schmiel with our own server. Nada, zip, no interest. If I had zero experience with this kind of stuff I'd assume it was normal, but being able to compare how it once was, 'back in the day', it's kind of scary to see how dead it's all become. There's clearly already more server capacity out there than can be filled and that's not a good sign, clans or no.

The other, perhaps contributory, aspect is that contrary to many people's assertion that TWI listens to its community I don't think it does...in the short term. They clearly took on board things that were said years ago because we see those things implemented now in the current game, and they've proved to be quite superb (in my opinion at least). But using the stats reset issue as just one example, something that will, I believe, prove critical to the non-clan players, not a word from TWI, even with the poll that shows significant numbers and interest. It just seems to go right over their heads, like it's of no concern to them. This is possibly the chief culprit in nixing clan interest, yet it now threatens to nix non-clan interest too. Somebody already said how TWI appears to be trying to straddle a fence, and risks getting the sharp edge right in the clackers.

I'm rambling. Maybe some dynamic will shift and the clan scene will re-awaken. Possibly the games people are waiting on right now will be so crap and ultimately un-satisfying people will come back to RO2 and thank their blessings. We can but hope.
 

Gerhard Schiller

FNG / Fresh Meat
Jul 17, 2011
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Stalingrad
No doubt joining a clan can be tough on a persons lifestyle. A lot of realism clans require you attend training sessions once or twice per week, which can be tough if you have a family and fulltime job, but I look at it as a hobby. It's a chance to escape reality for a couple of hours per week and just do your own thing. What is really good about it is you've more then likely found players with the same passion for military history as yourself.
 

5thSSDW.KGW~CO

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 19, 2011
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No doubt joining a clan can be tough on a persons lifestyle. A lot of realism clans require you attend training sessions once or twice per week, which can be tough if you have a family and fulltime job, but I look at it as a hobby. It's a chance to escape reality for a couple of hours per week and just do your own thing. What is really good about it is you've more then likely found players with the same passion for military history as yourself.

This ^. It's like any hobby, it should be a passion and for something about which one is passionate one makes the time. If it's a chore why on earth would one be doing it?

There used to be thousands of those with the passion...where did they all go? Dead on the Eastern Front would be an in-character way to look at it I guess. :D
 

rta

FNG / Fresh Meat
Mar 16, 2006
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earth
www.nodozetactical.com
This ^. It's like any hobby, it should be a passion and for something about which one is passionate one makes the time. If it's a chore why on earth would one be doing it?

There used to be thousands of those with the passion...where did they all go? Dead on the Eastern Front would be an in-character way to look at it I guess. :D

heck, i say we fire mohaa back up! :)

(i actually stood there looking at my cds today...with a tears of good memories welling up in my eyes)
 

Cpt-Praxius

FNG / Fresh Meat
Dec 12, 2005
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Canadian in Australia
heck, i say we fire mohaa back up! :)

(i actually stood there looking at my cds today...with a tears of good memories welling up in my eyes)

I have mostly bad memories.... like the times when a guy in my college class used nothing but the Shotgun and just run/gunned the whole time shooting anytime something came on screen for insta-kills while everybody else used all the other weapons and required some skill, and he was always on the top ranks..... ruined the whole game for me and went off to Soldier of Fortune 2.
 

rta

FNG / Fresh Meat
Mar 16, 2006
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www.nodozetactical.com
I have mostly bad memories.... like the times when a guy in my college class used nothing but the Shotgun and just run/gunned the whole time shooting anytime something came on screen for insta-kills while everybody else used all the other weapons and required some skill, and he was always on the top ranks..... ruined the whole game for me and went off to Soldier of Fortune 2.

oh man, you played on the wrong servers. we wouldn't have allowed shotties. sorry though :(
 

Apex.

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Aug 22, 2011
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people need to to realise the e-sports scene is also the clan scene, the just stay out of public servers and scrim other teams, there is nothing stopping other teams joining in and making the game as competitive as it should be, im slowly seeing the game get less numbers in game because everyone just relys on pub, get out there and join the competitive scene, (hell even had somebody from this forum in AU message me on steam asking how to get in because pub wasn't doing it for him)

but i see why there isn't as many clans as RO1, RO1 was released in 2006, a year before cod4.. i bet clan numbers dropped dramatically in 2007 compared to 2006... so blame cod4 (and any reskin after it) for the lack of competition in RO games imo.
 

Manbearpig

FNG / Fresh Meat
Sep 13, 2011
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Nobody makes games where you can actually play with your clan. Auto squad this, team balancing that. And if you happen to actually team with your mates you get yelled at for stacking. It's not the clans, it's the damn games. I was tactical mohaa, vcod, uo, ro...these new games? pffffft. just a r&g fest plain and simple. with unlocks and stats it just makes the individual more interested in doing what he needs to do to increase ranks. teamwork is a dying trend. the world has ADD and sucks. im going to bed now...i've pissed myself off.

TESTIFY!!! *waves hands left and right in reverance*


This is so true. All the stats are contrary to teamwork...EVEN IF they give points for teamwork.

Teamwork is something you do for fun, not for points.

ADD? No kidding. I work in an institution where half the kids take ritalin. Kids today have no attention span and are bored so quickly there is no pleasing them. Plus they get agressive omg!


I am lucky though to play in a large rather mature community. I feel we can bring the game to it's potential. We only need one thing to be fixed: WORKING VOIP! If it stops cutting in and out like it does now, then we can start to work with the pubbies that join our server, organise them, make them see the awesomeness of great teamwork....

THat is all we need TWI.... VOIP most important thing to be fixed!
 

rta

FNG / Fresh Meat
Mar 16, 2006
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www.nodozetactical.com
guys. im gettin outta here. i've had it with this game. my days of tweaking ini's until i can get something to work halfway decent are over. not to mention this isn't RO gameplay, this is a really really bad version of cod. calling it what it is, sorry. and i can't squad with my mates. that's ridiculous.

my clanmates and i all have RO2 and were hoping this would be the game that would get us going again. we waited a long *** time for this, as many of you have. and well, i guess im so lit because it's such a let down for us in both gameplay and performance. getting pray-n-sprayed by 20 mp40's whilst hitching about at 20fps is a very daunting experience to me. gaming should be fun. this isn't.

wanted to say goodbye here because it's the only thread i felt like people connected. good luck to you guys and your communities. peace.

-rta
 

Six_Ten

FNG / Fresh Meat
Mar 12, 2006
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aztecmod.darkesthourgame.com
guys. im gettin outta here. i've had it with this game. my days of tweaking ini's until i can get something to work halfway decent are over. not to mention this isn't RO gameplay, this is a really really bad version of cod. calling it what it is, sorry. and i can't squad with my mates. that's ridiculous.

my clanmates and i all have RO2 and were hoping this would be the game that would get us going again. we waited a long *** time for this, as many of you have. and well, i guess im so lit because it's such a let down for us in both gameplay and performance. getting pray-n-sprayed by 20 mp40's whilst hitching about at 20fps is a very daunting experience to me. gaming should be fun. this isn't.

wanted to say goodbye here because it's the only thread i felt like people connected. good luck to you guys and your communities. peace.

-rta


Don't bail, just join us others back on Ostfront. Just had a couple of great rounds on Stalingrad Kessel witha pick-up team and had a blast.