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Murphy

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How are those quotes in that article in any way relevant other than to dramatize the matter and to stirr up emotions? Just an aside. Whatever happened o neutral journalism. I don't even know the name of the perpetrator, but I know that there was (and that's appearantly a title for the paragraph below...) 'A lot of blood'. Great.
 

Pvt.pile

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Definitely something isn't right in that country if people keep doing this sort of thing. I feel sorry for the victims and their families.
 

Shadrach

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For a great book on such shootings read "Going Postal" by Mark Ames:
http://www.amazon.com/Going-Postal-Rebellion-Workplaces-Columbine/dp/1932360824/

It's basically about how its not just the availability of firearms, but the current economic climate, starting from the extreme Reaganomics in the 80s, that have made the situation in workplaces and schools so desperate, and people feel so alienated that some just snap.

Combine that with the fact that anyone can easily get automatic weapons and well what have you...
 

REZ

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The American citizens need to have the right to own guns, form militias etc, otherwise this country would have turned into a Chile of the 70's a long time ago. It's written into the Constitution for a reason. Dont get me wrong.. I'm not a flag waving gun toting good 'ol boy, but.. security of a free State and all that...


People crack for many different reasons. If he couldnt get his hands on firearms, would he have not cracked? He probably wouldve gone upside someones head with an axe.. so is the discussion about the fact that guns can kill more people in a shorter time? or is it 'what is causing people to crack' ..?

I think the latter needs to be examined more, as opposed to blaming the guns themselves.
 

Cuddles

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This isnt even shocking anymore. Those schools need to get some armed security guards and metal detectors.
 

sharpshooterklj

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Combine that with the fact that anyone can easily get automatic weapons and well what have you...

You mean semi-automatic, because fully automatic weapons are near impossible to get in most states unless you want to fork over a couple grand for a permit. I think you also have to go through a waiting period and background check, but that probably also varies from state to state.

I agree with Rez, people will snap whether they have guns or not.
 

Pvt.pile

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I agree with that but someone that snaps with is a gun/guns in their hand is going to do allot more damage than someone using a baseball bat.
 

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This is what scared me most when I read through that story, mainly the fact that these stories were glazed over by large media outlets:

It is also the fourth shooting at a US education establishment within a week.

Last Friday, a woman shot dead two fellow students before killing herself at Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge. In Memphis, Tennessee, a 17-year-old is accused of shooting and critically wounding a student on Monday, and a 15-year-old was shot at a junior high school in California on Tuesday.
 

SchutzeSepp

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if i lived in a country where having weapons is a constitutional right, then i might be tempted also to defend that "right". just like if you would have the "right" to drive as fast as you want, yeah it's fun but honestly we all know (at least i hope so for your mental sanity) that it's a right you shouldn't have. it's generated a avalanche of bad side-effects, criminals get guns easy, so you get one too so you can defend yourself. everybody ends up having guns, kids get acces to them, fragile minded persons also. and you get all the ingredients for never-ending disasters.

for me an outsider to this, i see no difference between americans who are defending their right to have guns, and the japanese who are defending their right to hunt endangered whales, all in the name of tradition.
this gives a barbaric view of your society, we evoluated from that and i even think we in europe have never even been there.
 
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REZ

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I know.... it's hard for Europeans to understand. And it will continue to be if you keep comparing it to driving fast and Japanese whale hunting.


@Athena - mate, you're gonna have to do the research for that one yourself ;)
 

Crusher

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Belgium made the gunlaw even tougher after some 17 year old went on a rampage in Antwerp a couple of years ago, killing 3 people including a little girl. Now it's nearly impossible to get a weapon and people had to bring their unregistered weapons to the nearest police station to destroy them or to get a permit. Sure, people get stabbed now but people shoot someone sooner then stabbing someone. Shooting is just point and click, stabbing is comming up close, stab a dude repeatedly and feel his life draining out of his body.

Yes criminals have weapons but I would rather have criminal having the only weapon than both of us having one and end up in a shooting where we all die.

The USA has a problem with guns and more guns isn't the answer but I don't believe the government can make the gun law more strict because too many people would protest, they could however do something about the cause of why people go on a rampage. Remove the triggerhappy culture and stuff like that.
 

Sgt.Rock

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Yes criminals have weapons but I would rather have criminal having the only weapon than both of us having one and end up in a shooting where we all die.

The USA has a problem with guns and more guns isn't the answer but I don't believe the government can make the gun law more strict because too many people would protest, they could however do something about the cause of why people go on a rampage. Remove the triggerhappy culture and stuff like that.

Combine that with the fact that anyone can easily get automatic weapons and well what have you...

May those poor souls rest in peace & may American gun laws restrict civvies from getting hold of firearms :(


1- yes, and when the criminals are the only one with guns, then its the unarmed people that are doing all the dieing. According to that logic, that means half the number of gun-related deaths, Great Plan! :thumbs up:

2- mmmm, Unless getting ahold of 15 grand is easy, you could have fooled me. Not to mention giving the government the green light to search your "place of business" without warrant or reason, since you are now a licensed armed dealer. Also, the gun used was semi-automatic and even then, the main was pump-action.

3- look up 1 and 2 and keep reading.



First of all, we have a government complex over here in America. Considering what the Brits did and what we did to gain our freedom, we are (generally) not fond of extensive government involvement.

Guns are not the problem. A loaded gun sitting on a table is no more dangerous then a sharpened pencil. In fact, the person next to you is probably more dangerous than the gun on the table. Its not going to jump up and bite you, but the guy next to you certainly could.

It's the way we handle issues over here thats the problem. We have a media that jumps all over stuff like this and sensationalizes it. We have a society that drugs people up rather then treating the problem. The people of our society don't take responsibility for their own actions, rather pass the blame onto something or someone else. We don't nip problems or troubled people in the bud.

It's also the way things are handled in the school environment that causes a lot of these problems. Fist fighting gets instant suspension, even when your defending yourself. These leaves the kid who just got picked on feeling defenseless and more victimized (and this victim mentality is just as great a problem in American society, having to do with responsibility). We cannot hit people, fight, you practically can't even yell at each other anymore. It's like a forest fire, the more you try to prevent the fire, the more underbrush builds up and the worse the actuall fire is going to be when you can't control it anymore.

Not only that, our people have become sheeple, most of Americans have almost no instinct to fight back anymore. Basically, we've lost our backbone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laUhslOb_g



Ontop of this, being exposed to guns at an early age doesn't happen anymore. I shot and got my first gun at the age of 8. My father is ex-military and he taught me the inside out of the shotgun I had. He tought safety first. At the range, It took me one time of moving the point of the shotgun to the side before I was "taught" how bad that is (A slap upside the head the next time I did it is a great motivator). My father shot a hard plastic cup and showed me what exactly the shotgun would do to someone if they got shot, to emphasize the gravity and importance of a gun. He even had me memorize the nomenclature to my shotgun, with my final line bieing "This gun will kill you".

Without experience around guns, and with movie's and games being a terrible depiction of reality, many kid's don't realize what actually happens when you shoot your friend or classmate with a gun. It's all fun and games, or a way to vent anger, until the kid next to you is bleeding out his mouth and body.



Finally, many of you non-Americans don't get how many crimes and violent crimes get prevented from the mere presentation of a firearm (no shots fired). Here let me dig that number up for you....


Let's see, about a little more than 2 million violent crimes prevented.









....I'm sure there's a quote somewhere about the oppressed not knowing what freedom is until they experience it.
 

Fedorov

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guns are not totally at fault, I mean, without guns, this kind of things wouldn't happen, but the direct responsability is from the victims, in most cases they are mother****ers who bully the poor guy, push him to the edge till he says: "**** everything, I'm going there and kill you because you are scum and you deserve it", in countries without guns, is more common that the guy only commits suicide because he sees no way of obtaining a succesful revenge