Another berserker weapon idea, A spear

[Unit-05]

boar spear to be exact. 82 and an 8th inches long, this age old hunting tool has the capability (And has) to take down large game.

Spears from the ages have been known to take down calvary from medieval ages, Pierce knight armor, and has even been used to stop war elephants. Mind you different kind of spears have been used, but the difference between them may be limited to spear head type and the length of the shaft.

So you may be thinking; "Why the hell would a spear be more usefull then a Chainsaw, Katana, Axe, Machete or the knife?".

Well a nice trait of the spear is that it can be used both offensively/defensively in equal proportions without it being good/worse in one situation or another, At its longer reach you can stab things at a door way in a safer range, or stab a crawler in between a team mates legs, or get a gorefast over his shoulders when your team mate is in a troubled situation, or even on the move you can fend off crawlers and gorefasts much easier. On the attack you can stab bloaters at a range so you can be quick enough to jump away befor being puked on, or get those precious meters to get to a siren befor she screams, and deal with mobs of specimens at a better chance to not get swarmed (Although if one gets you from behind when you are not looking you are still going to get boned).

The primary attack would be a quick stab, the secondary attack would be a power stab that would normally impale a man or a larger mammal.

Price range: 2500

Primary damage: 170-220

Secondary damage: 350-400

Now some of you also might be wondering; "350-400 damage for a secondary attack? A tad high is it not? why the hell would a spear be more damaging then a super sharp sword?"

Well consider this, Although the katana is extremely sharp, we are dealing with genetically engineered attempts of super soldiers; Leather like skin, increased muscle mass, and even biomechanical enhancements. To cut through all that will still require the weilders arm strength at the leverage at the base of the sword.

A spear in the other hand does not cut through all that, but rather punctures a hole through it, stabbing vital organs and thrashes about inside with also the possibility of severing major arteries as well, then pulling it out to let bleed a hefty amount, making it also a quick kill at a safer distance as well get a more powerfull stab as the shaft will allow more body strength to be used.

So some of you might also be thinking; "Where the hell would you find a SPEAR?". I was surprised my self to see it not as uncommon as I thought it would be to find actual hunting communities that hunt with a spear, there is tons of youtube videos of it, and you can even order one online for a mere 94.99$ US. (im not kidding you http://www.coldsteel.com/boarspear.htmlhttp://www.coldsteel.com/boarspear.htmlhttp://www.coldsteel.com/boarspear.html)

So members of the TWI forum, What do you think?

 

[EricFong]

Remind me a movie about bear, a knife, a machete could not kill a bear, but a spear can.

Pretty good idea, but i hope for sledge hammer more.

 

[CandleJack]

All this american measurements is annoying. Can you convert that to a useful measurement for me please?

 

[Unit-05]

it is aprox 7 feet long, so maybe around 2 1/3 meters?
heres a picture to eye measure it. (sorry pushed post instead of preview)

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[Olivier]

All this american measurements is annoying.

High five with Candlejack :3

 

[Oldih]

82,8 inches is also around 209cm if we're to be more accurate about it, goes quite well with the rough thumb rule that one feet = 30cm, 7ft = 210cm.

However, as for the secondary attack alternate option to justify the high damage would be that you hold the spear directly forward and any enemy that charges towards it will take massive damage. It would be useless against some enemies that won't charge or really run into you, but against gorefast\scarke\flush it would be a whole another story. Of course it would require either long 'cooldown' per each impale or some other drawback to prevent any extensive abuse, something along the line that you can't move while holding it that way and that it would take a second or so to prepare such 'stance'.

But how about throwable javelins?

 

[EricFong]

A stab to the head should cause head explode, like gun.

 

[Unit-05]

It would be useless against some enemies that won't charge or really run into you, but against gorefast\scarke\flush it would be a whole another story. Of course it would require either long 'cooldown' per each impale or some other drawback to prevent any extensive abuse, something along the line that you can't move while holding it that way and that it would take a second or so to prepare such 'stance'.

Yeah that would work, when you do the power stab you stop moving, And it would work because the only time you would need to do that power stab is if you are fighting a fleshpound or a scrake, the normal stabs can be for the smaller ones.

 

[smalldemon]

Meh

Meh

Seems too much like a gladiator weapon to me. Remember the background story of the game. In no way a man fighting for survival would use (or even know how to use) such thing as a spear. Even the katana, from the level up content, looks really inappropriate in the game. Could you think of something else more contemporarian?

 

[Unit-05]

a spear in and of itself was the most issued weapon around in the dark ages because it was so simple to use, and trust me if I myself was stuck in one of these situations and found myself a spear I would probably turn religous thinking that a god blessed me with such a fourtinate weapon, It is a stick with a pointy end on it.. Play with it for a while and you will get the hang of it. A man going for survival, and he will use ANYTHING to survive.

But this is not too out of place in a game like this and how I see it the tier weapons as they advance suggest more of the stereotypical weapons of the class

Lever action rifle, hunting shotgun, crossbow, katana. These weapons in and of them selves are ancient but are usefull in this situation for a reason. They were designed to take down enemies which were no longer faced in modern combat, which is why they were dropped out of military use, But now we are facing the very type of enemys they were designed to be used agenst, Big lumbering creatures that run up and bite and claw.

 

[miKe___<3]

Do like the idea of a ranged melee weapon for crawlers but i'd prefer something that looked a bit more "modern" personally (but that is just preference).

Has anyone posted the steroid pack of doom yet cos that was epic ?
Injecting a vile of suspension and smashing through the crowd ;P

 

[Unit-05]

in the link I provided in my initial introduction, the one I provided that you can order one just under 100$ US is using a medium carbon sk-5 grade steel which is also treated to a spring temper, not to mention an ashwood shaft. How much more modern can you make it? Its a god damn spear.

 

[miKe___<3]

you know, lazers and that.

But ye i didnt read that just agreed with your concept ;P

 

[Unit-05]

you know, lazers and that.

What?

 

[thesmurf45]

you know, lazers and that.

But ye i didnt read that just agreed with your concept ;P

wut?
Are we talking about the spear or just being a bit of a berk?

 

[Unit-05]

well.. we ARE supposed to talk about the spear.. I have no idea what the hell hes talkin about.

Anyways back on track, anyone else actually have something positive or useful feedback to this idea?

 

[GumbyKid]

How about you make it a halberd? that's like a spear, but it also has an axe on it. think they're also called "poleaxes"
primary would be the ranged stab, and secondary would be a chop with the axe part. if it's within the ability of the engine, make it so the chop could do damage to a crawler without having to look down at it, or crouching. speaking of that, the lunge idea with the stance and whatnot would make the weapon harder to implement, because you'd have to make an extra animation or a script or whatever for it.

 

[YFGHNG]

Hasn't all this, and more, been discussed ages ago?

 

[Aze]

However, as for the secondary attack alternate option to justify the high damage would be that you hold the spear directly forward and any enemy that charges towards it will take massive damage. It would be useless against some enemies that won't charge or really run into you, but against gorefast\scarke\flush it would be a whole another story. Of course it would require either long 'cooldown' per each impale or some other drawback to prevent any extensive abuse, something along the line that you can't move while holding it that way and that it would take a second or so to prepare such 'stance'.

For a new weapon with a purpose, this is a really solid idea
That would make it the "crossbow" of the melee weapons, slow and powerful, really worthwhile for the big ones, but too slow and cumbersome for the small ones

But, if this was to be implemented, don't you think it would be unfair for the other perks? Berserker already has a plethora of weapons (and some have no purpose anymore). To make this suggestion worthwhile, then, looking at the bigger picture:
*All other perks "need" new stuff too (not just random ones, but new styles, new purposes etc)for being fair (Firebug anyone?)
*The current weapons (especially the Berserker's ones) need to be sorted out and each given a role.

 

[Unit-05]

That is true, but as one thread has declared, many of the previous weapons are just bad by design, maybe they can fix up a few of the other weapons and then inplement this, But if you look in the offical killing floor steam community they said an update for the game is coming soon, and I think a new firebug weapon too.

How about you make it a halberd?

True it might require more animations but the reason why I took the boar spear is because, in some way it makes more sense in the game as it would be much easier to get your hands on a spear then a halberd, but that weapon idea can also work just as well too.