An Important Killing Floor Message & Request To Tripwire

[M4R10zM0113R]

lol any level perk can kite farm, also what are you even trying to prove with that post?

That well, people always go for the quick way and whine about other people because of their lower perks, Not just simply see if they even survive.

Besides, This topic should be locked. The smell of troll's so ugly I have to spray a whole bottle on it.

I'm not sure what that screen shot is there to prove, apart from the fact that if you are an exceptionally good player you can handle HoE with a level 2 perk.

It's a friend, so yeah... Credits'd go to the owner :/

loaf and tolerode to you too

Nice way to do negative propaganda.

 

[DMN666]

The first thing would be that since the recent update that reverted the zeds, the hitboxes seamed to have been altered, making it harder to get headshots, as well as just kill things in general.

Thats a lie, i head shot a Scrake next to his ear, meaning the air.
They need to be smaller. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

Second is that recently the DLC weapons have been nerfed, when in general I know alot of people who have actually been wanting to play perks that they have disliked for a very long time, blah.

The Scythe was not perfect, it need the nerf, a berserker can already handle all the zeds by himself (In the right hands). This is a co-op game, A Zerk would run up to anything and kill it, leaving some perks doing nothing...(Until the zerk dies)

Third would be to please stop taking out things that would make the game easier to run just so you can add more content, we understand you want to add more content for the fans, as well as still make the game run smooth, but every time content is added, the content gets nerfed an update later, & the one major changes messes up the game for the people who enjoy it, such as the group spawns, this game is becoming less strategy, & more brute force to kill zeds, the spawns aren't evened out like they should be, & result to just needless spamming, yes this may make it harder for people, which indeed they enjoy, but it is making it far worse on the newer players.

This makes sense, when a update shows up, some things (and mutators) would be broken. But they should also not put in files they arent going to use
"Malevoice3"

Another thing that should be fixed is the M99AMR ammo cost, yes this has been addressed many times, but it should be addressed once more in case you actually consider doing something about it, blah

Leave the M99, its good now, im tired of playing a game and always ALWAYS theres a SS or "Sniper", more then 2 some times. Usually they would suck, so i dont want them with a big *** gun thats only good from so far away.

 

[vegetasasuke0]

Taking out the ad hominem attacks, you're basically stating that you like having OP weapons ingame. Most diehard/core/dedicated KF fans do NOT appreciate having OP weapons and ruining the balance for others. People have won HoE games long before the IJC weapons came on the scene, and it shouldn't be the weapons dictating if you and your team can survive the hardest difficulty but rather your skill. The fact that you think the inclusion of IJC weapons into the game is "the way it is" tells me that you're a newer player than most of us here. IJC was only officially adopted into KF as of July 2012, and before then was only a mod available through download in late 2011.

No ****, I've been playing KF even before the IJC pack, but alot of people just like the weaponpack, it shouldnt mean it should be nerfed to ****, some people consider the weapons to be fine the way they are, eventually this game is gonna reach it's limit with how difficult it can get, & when it does I bet there will be a ****storm from all you people

 

[vegetasasuke0]

Thats a lie, i head shot a Scrake next to his ear, meaning the air.
They need to be smaller. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

The Scythe was not perfect, it need the nerf, a berserker can already handle all the zeds by himself (In the right hands). This is a co-op game, A Zerk would run up to anything and kill it, leaving some perks doing nothing...(Until the zerk dies)


This makes sense, when a update shows up, some things (and mutators) would be broken. But they should also not put in files they arent going to use
"Malevoice3"


Leave the M99, its good now, im tired of playing a game and always ALWAYS theres a SS or "Sniper", more then 2 some times. Usually they would suck, so i dont want them with a big *** gun thats only good from so far away.

How I see it, since the steam workshop was added, alot of the mutators I had broke my game, I couldn't choose the difficulty or the length of the game I wanted, so in the end some bugs do need fixing.

 

[MRU]

No ****, I've been playing KF even before the IJC pack, but alot of people just like the weaponpack, it shouldnt mean it should be nerfed to ****, some people consider the weapons to be fine the way they are, eventually this game is gonna reach it's limit with how difficult it can get, & when it does I bet there will be a ****storm from all you people

This game has actually become more easy with all the new weapons, not the opposite. The existing balance is just kept by balancing the new weapons like m99, Scythe and Bussbow.

Also you say "keep the game as it is"- refering to the NEW weapons... The problem is that all the others also want to "keep the game as it is", only they are refering to the balance of the game without the IJC weapons and of course a nerf was neccesary to keep this balance.

 

[Islidox]

No ****, I've been playing KF even before the IJC pack, but alot of people just like the weaponpack, it shouldnt mean it should be nerfed to ****, some people consider the weapons to be fine the way they are, eventually this game is gonna reach it's limit with how difficult it can get, & when it does I bet there will be a ****storm from all you people

The only weapon that was nerfed in the IJC pack was the M99; nothing else was nerfed. And it seriously needed the nerf. Did you even play with the weapons from IJC pack before they were officially adopted into the game? The M99 had the same damage from before, but its reload speed was super slow, and thereby somewhat balancing an OP weapon. Now, with its sick reload speed the M99 can take down the biggest threat (FPs) on HoE without any issue. That, needed to change, and if you think it didn't, then my original statement still stands that you like having the game made easier for you with OP weapons.

And in case you missed it, most people aren't happy with the ammo-price nerf either as it was the WRONG type of nerf applied to a weapon of this capacity. It doesn't change the fact that the M99 needs a nerf of some sort.

 

[vegetasasuke0]

The only weapon that was nerfed in the IJC pack was the M99; nothing else was nerfed. And it seriously needed the nerf. Did you even play with the weapons from IJC pack before they were officially adopted into the game? The M99 had the same damage from before, but its reload speed was super slow, and thereby somewhat balancing an OP weapon. Now, with its sick reload speed the M99 can take down the biggest threat (FPs) on HoE without any issue. That, needed to change, and if you think it didn't, then my original statement still stands that you like having the game made easier for you with OP weapons.

And in case you missed it, most people aren't happy with the ammo-price nerf either as it was the WRONG type of nerf applied to a weapon of this capacity. It doesn't change the fact that the M99 needs a nerf of some sort.

Still doesn't mean you make the game worse on other people, Tripwire knows they can lose business with their nerfs, they just dont seam to care, why put the AMR in the game if nobody can fill it with ammo? some people do want to be able to solo HOE, you as well as I know that not everyone is a team player, I know alot of people who aren't team players who play this game, & they are probably better at the game than you are, they can solo HOE without any problems, but they actually agree with me on the fact that tripwire needs to stop trying to make the game harder, put in a new specimen or something instead of making every weapon weak, I mean seriously if they added the Brute alot of people would complain that it's "Too hard" when that's the point, you have firebug or support to deal with the brute, shoot out the legs or burn it, simple as that, stop taking away from the others.

 

[Trotskygrad]

I know alot of people who aren't team players who play this game, & they are probably better at the game than you are, they can solo HOE without any problems, but they actually agree with me on the fact that tripwire needs to stop trying to make the game harder, put in a new specimen or something instead of making every weapon weak.

source please

 

[Islidox]

Still doesn't mean you make the game worse on other people,

Worse? Worse? The M99 with its OP reload speed wasn't even in the game until a FEW MONTHS ago. KF existed without the M99 and would continue to do so just fine.

some people do want to be able to solo HOE, you as well as I know that not everyone is a team player, I know alot of people who aren't team players who play this game, & they are probably better at the game than you are, they can solo HOE without any problems,

You don't strengthen your arguments by personally attacking the opposing side, namely me. And for your information, you can look me up on Steam. My SteamID is the same as my TW username, my profile will say everything for me. Also, the M99 is not meant for soloing, and there is no relationship between nerfing the M99 and soloing HoE. Not sure where you came up with that idea.

but they actually agree with me on the fact that tripwire needs to stop trying to make the game harder, put in a new specimen or something instead of making every weapon weak, I mean seriously if they added the Brute alot of people would complain that it's "Too hard" when that's the point, you have firebug or support to deal with the brute, shoot out the legs or burn it, simple as that, stop taking away from the others.

TW has been making the game harder? What a farce! If anything, TW has been making it EASIER with the inclusion of all these new weapons. TW hasn't changed the difficulty of the game whatsoever after they divvied up the difficulty levels to 5 instead of 4. And I think the Brute would be a welcome addition to the specimen list and provide some serious challenge to campers.

 

[vegetasasuke0]

source please

At this rate I don't even need to source anything, I could give you ID's to steam profiles & such, but that would just be letting it off easy, you people just keep dragging on an argument that is getting nowhere.

 

[Maddoxx]

I can agree that it brings more exhilaration when you know that you hold a powerful weapon! More joy, actually!

If no weapon was ever nerfed from KF, this would still not matter if playing on modded servers where bots fill up rest of the spots....even on Hard difficulty. All the OP-weapons would still not help...on some modded servers!!!

Try! It

 

[vegetasasuke0]

Worse? Worse? The M99 with its OP reload speed wasn't even in the game until a FEW MONTHS ago. KF existed without the M99 and would continue to do so just fine.



You don't strengthen your arguments by personally attacking the opposing side, namely me. And for your information, you can look me up on Steam. My SteamID is the same as my TW username, my profile will say everything for me. Also, the M99 is not meant for soloing, and there is no relationship between nerfing the M99 and soloing HoE. Not sure where you came up with that idea.


TW has been making the game harder? What a farce! If anything, TW has been making it EASIER with the inclusion of all these new weapons. TW hasn't changed the difficulty of the game whatsoever after they divvied up the difficulty levels to 5 instead of 4. And I think the Brute would be a welcome addition to the specimen list and provide some serious challenge to campers.

I've been playing this game long before the AMR, but alot of people got accustomed to having it in the game, & actually if not for the IJC pack, a small portion would not have even tried the game, also no point in wasting time looking you up on steam because steam is a joke in itself, I hate steam, always have, always will, but I support tripwire, that's one of the only reasons I put up with steam & its DRM & Cloud servicing, & yes they have been "making the game harder" considering the fact that they love to spam the worst zeds now, & weapons don't make the game, if they had made the game easier they would have just left the weapons de - nerfed, along with the AMR, if you wonder why I point out the whole AMR, HOE thing, everyone else is talking about it so I don't see why I shouldn't be, it's part of certain strategies for some on the later ways, because that's how certain people see the game. Also with the Brute being added to the game, it wouldn't happen due to too many crybabies on the forums like you people complaining about all the weapons needing nerfing & how the level 6 classes are "too OP".

 

[Amber Glass]

whats this talk of the game spamming the "worst" specimens, last i checked hoe was still easy, hell they haven't even been spawning the double and triple FPs as often that were so common during the summer event.

 

[Islidox]

I've been playing this game long before the AMR, but alot of people got accustomed to having it in the game, & actually if not for the IJC pack, a small portion would not have even tried the game, also no point in wasting time looking you up on steam because steam is a joke in itself, I hate steam, always have, always will, but I support tripwire, that's one of the only reasons I put up with steam & its DRM & Cloud servicing, & yes they have been "making the game harder" considering the fact that they love to spam the worst zeds now, & weapons don't make the game, if they had made the game easier they would have just left the weapons de - nerfed, along with the AMR, if you wonder why I point out the whole AMR, HOE thing, everyone else is talking about it so I don't see why I shouldn't be, it's part of certain strategies for some on the later ways, because that's how certain people see the game. Also with the Brute being added to the game, it wouldn't happen due to too many crybabies on the forums like you people complaining about all the weapons needing nerfing & how the level 6 classes are "too OP".

It's called a period. Learn to use it.

If you're not going to bother to look up my credentials, then you certainly shouldn't be making any assumptions on how I play the game or how good I am. Likewise, you don't provide us with proof that you're as "pro" as you make yourself out to be, which only goes to weaken your already weak argument. IJC weapons were only meant to be a mod, nothing more. If it attracted players, so be it, but I can assure you that most players got on fine without the IJC weapons and it's not an argument you can make to undermine the OPness of the M99.

As for the difficulty, the game hasn't felt any different then and now. Spamming the worst zombies? I have no idea what you're talking about. Spawns seem normal.

M99 has nothing to do with HoE soloing. That was your initial argument you made which made no sense whatsoever. In a team setting, it's a different case and it doesn't change the fact that the M99 is OP and makes HoE a walk in the park.

At this point, it seems like you're incapable of forming a half-decent argument, and I suggest you save yourself from further embarassment and end it here.

 

[vegetasasuke0]

whats this talk of the game spamming the "worst" specimens, last i checked hoe was still easy, hell they haven't even been spawning the double and triple FPs as often that were so common during the summer event.

I would rather them spawn more FP's then them spawning 2 Scrakes, 3 -5 sirens, 4 crawlers & 6 clots together, the grouping system just keeps getting more out of hand, tbh I keep seeing less & less FP's as the updates come out.

 

[vegetasasuke0]

It's called a period. Learn to use it.

If you're not going to bother to look up my credentials, then you certainly shouldn't be making any assumptions on how I play the game or how good I am. Likewise, you don't provide us with proof that you're as "pro" as you make yourself out to be, which only goes to weaken your already weak argument. IJC weapons were only meant to be a mod, nothing more. If it attracted players, so be it, but I can assure you that most players got on fine without the IJC weapons and it's not an argument you can make to undermine the OPness of the M99.

As for the difficulty, the game hasn't felt any different then and now. Spamming the worst zombies? I have no idea what you're talking about. Spawns seem normal.

M99 has nothing to do with HoE soloing. That was your initial argument you made which made no sense whatsoever. In a team setting, it's a different case and it doesn't change the fact that the M99 is OP and makes HoE a walk in the park.

At this point, it seems like you're incapable of forming a half-decent argument, and I suggest you save yourself from further embarassment and end it here.

You lost whatever respect I had for you since you called the zeds "Zombies", they are in no way zombies, they are bio engineered creatures,as in clones, as well as modified beings. Also you must not play as much as you say, due to the fact I've been playing the game since it's official release came out, yeah I can handle the fact that new weapons come, as well as get nerfed, we get that, but most of these nerfs don't need to be made, but whiny people like you & everyone else on the forums complain more to the point that they decide to take your advice, in the end I'm the one thinking of the new players, just because some people can't handle a harder difficulty doesn't mean you should trash them, & if so you are horrible, not only at sportsmanship, but as a human being. Again back to the AMR, I believe any class should be able to solo HOE, I believe they made the wrong nerfs with it, & if they are going to make it so the ammo cost is too high, then equal that out with something like it's weight, weighing less would help other players, & like I said, 2 Fleshpounds, 2 Scrakes, 3 -5 sirens, 4 crawlers, 6 clots, & 3 gorefast together does not seam like a very balanced spawn system, next time I play the game I will save a screenshot & upload it here, if I play again that is, because now that I know about all the whiny people who play this game I don't even really want to play this game again, I mean if Tripwire is gonna give in a demand from the whiners then there is no reason to play a sinking ship of a game. I really love this game, it's possibly one of my top 5.

 

[Benjamin]

You lost whatever respect I had for you since you called the zeds "Zombies", they are in no way zombies, they are bio engineered creatures,as in clones

Talk about splitting hairs. It's a "zombie shooter" where you shoot "zombies" (ie. brainless creatures that just want to kill you). If the crux of your retort is simply about the usage of a particular term then I wouldn't bother posting, no one wants to read that crap.

 

[Clowndoe]

I call them monsters so if that's not an O.K. term then you might want to skip this post.

Who trashed beginners in this thread? I can't find anyone unless you count people saying they should only play on Normal/Beginner, which is pretty fair, considering I think that's where those names come from. Also where does the idea that the AMR should be a solo-sharp's weapon? I've seen people solo just fine with the M14/LAR, not to mention that they're logical weapons for soloing since they combine RoF with the ability to kill scrakes and FP's in a jiffy.

Also how is arguing the AMR is UP looking out for the new players? The AMR filled the role of blowing away scrakes and FP's, but I'll say it again: People have gotten along just fine (even beginners playing on Normal) before the AMR came along. If they removed it completely tomorrow then it would be no loss, as if someone handed you a 5$ bill and asked to have it back the day after. And that's not just me being selfish, sometimes when I can't get a game on HoE or Sui I join lower difficulties and give tips to those who will listen.

As for the 2 FP's, 2 scrakes, etc scenario: 1 player (mando or FB) takes out everything small (not that hard), someone else picks off the sirens (a support, mando, FB, sharp, anyone really). Demo then opens up on FP's starting with pipes hopefully, and everyone unloads to help if they can/should. Last is scrakes which is for the sharp (and any sharp combo can do it). It's not like this isn't a situation you see every day, and it's also not something an AMR will save you from if your teammates don't know their jobs. Sure this is difficult for newer players, especially if they aren't coordinated, but that's just part of the experience, and if you're losing more than you'd like you can play an easier difficulty, there's really nothing wrong with that.

One last thing: Don't call people whiners. If you're secure in your beliefs then there's really no need. Imagine everyone else was doing it - which wouldn't be hard - then any advantage you hypothetically gain from it is lost.

 

[Islidox]

You lost whatever respect I had for you since you called the zeds "Zombies", they are in no way zombies, they are bio engineered creatures,as in clones, as well as modified beings. Also you must not play as much as you say, due to the fact I've been playing the game since it's official release came out, yeah I can handle the fact that new weapons come, as well as get nerfed, we get that, but most of these nerfs don't need to be made, but whiny people like you & everyone else on the forums complain more to the point that they decide to take your advice, in the end I'm the one thinking of the new players, just because some people can't handle a harder difficulty doesn't mean you should trash them, & if so you are horrible, not only at sportsmanship, but as a human being. Again back to the AMR, I believe any class should be able to solo HOE, I believe they made the wrong nerfs with it, & if they are going to make it so the ammo cost is too high, then equal that out with something like it's weight, weighing less would help other players, & like I said, 2 Fleshpounds, 2 Scrakes, 3 -5 sirens, 4 crawlers, 6 clots, & 3 gorefast together does not seam like a very balanced spawn system, next time I play the game I will save a screenshot & upload it here, if I play again that is, because now that I know about all the whiny people who play this game I don't even really want to play this game again, I mean if Tripwire is gonna give in a demand from the whiners then there is no reason to play a sinking ship of a game. I really love this game, it's possibly one of my top 5.

Zed is another word for zombie. You can't seem to stop insulting the person who responds to your post with actual arguments, can you?

You apparently refuse to look me up on Steam, so obviously making assumptions about me is the way to go. I got the game mid-2011 and achieved all 200 achievements by this November. I never touched the M99 til earlier this year when it was still just a whitelisted mod and earned my HoE achievements mostly without the help of the M99 (I don't control what my random pubbie teammates use in combat). I don't claim to be pro. I claim to be a good team/solo player who has a solid understanding of the zed mechanics and the strengths and weaknesses of the perks and zeds. Calling me out as a horrible human with unsportsman-like conduct is very immature of you as you know NOTHING about me and any implication you make about me will be skewed in your biased eyes. If you actually read my posts instead of spending time trying to insult me, you would know that I am not advocating the need to remove the M99, only to nerf it in a different capacity, namely reduce its reload speed and lower its base damage. Leave ammo price as it originally was prior to the nerf.

A level 6 sharpshooter is able to take the crossbow and dominate a game on Hard. 1 shot to kill a Scrake and 2 shots to kill a fleshpound. If its that's hard to chain headshots with the xbow, then you shouldn't be playing the sharpshooter as all the M99 does is act like a crutch. I've seen players on Hard who even with the M99 couldn't take out the FP, and this was recent. You yourself don't deny that the M99 is OP. You think you're doing a mercy for lower-leveled or casual players when in reality you're making players who aren't great at the game more reliant on an OP weapon to get them through the later-waves. I don't advocate that as this game takes skill and coordination.

You can post whatever you want, but until I see a rational argument coming from you, don't expect me to respond again to your childish posts.

 

[Zerginfestor]

I believe someone just got pwned. You can smell it from miles on this thread as if a smoldering crater of butthurt. Islidox! You didn't use a freaking nuke, did ya?