AK vs Scar?

[Nekomancer]

I don't like the P90 in Rainbow Six Vegas, i preferred the SG 552 Commando. That thing was maybe overpowered, but i loved it. Precise, ammo efficient and deadly.

My best experience lately was Mass Effect 2 on highest difficulty. Man, that game punishes you for every small error. I loved it.

 

[9_6]

Difficulty alone is not what makes a game fun.

 

[Salad Snake]

Difficulty alone is not what makes a game fun.

Gotta agree with this. Immersion and catering to a player's visceral senses and intuition (rather then simple number and stat memorizing) is more important then anything save balance. That's the reason I'm excited about HoS. When I heard "realistic" I was like "Meh....", but then they were like "The main problem with realistic games is that the controls are clunky, if something is easy to do IRL it should be easy to do in-game.", and I thought to myself "Finally, someone gets it".

To me, a perfect game is one where the player can be faced with a problem and go "Hmm, in real life I would do this....", try it, and have that method actually work, every time. In other words, a game that is realistic intuitively rather then just viscerally, or on the surface.

However, in the end, nobody likes a cakewalk either. Thus I believe it's best that game makers compromise, and build for BOTH audiences. Mainstream gaming is here to stay, but I would hope that the medium doesn't forget it's roots. Please no more writing down passwords though, I hated that ****.

 

[Rainydaykid]

Honestly, the P90 is a pretty good gun, for what it is.

It's a shame it was tainted by CoD.

I don't know if they fixed it, but used to be if you dropped a full mag, all the rounds would get jumbled up. Also, the 5.7 has the stopping power of a .22 mag.

Anyways, for the social life thing, I have had plenty of offers from girls at my college. I work out and hike, and am considered attractive. However, I prefer being single, as relationships end up being complicated BS. I pretty much choose not to have a social life, also because being around groups of people tires me.

 

[Rainydaykid]

IMO the problem is exactly that gaming is "cool". As I say I work in retail selling games. I've seen every release on every format for over 2 years, and let me tell you, great games don't sell anywhere near as well as mediocre games.

When is the last time you played a truly great game? They are few and far between. For me the latest games I really enjoyed was Killing Floor and then Battlefield BC 2. That was over a good year apart. And even speaking of Battlefield Bad Company 2. It did alright, but was still trounced by CoD, despite being the vastly superior game.

That indicative of itself isn't a major problem, but in my position you start looking across all the gmaes that are coming out and they are all tainted by this lack luster half assed casual gamer brush. After all, why make a great game when OK sells better?

Tripwire thankfully are real gamers themselves and are one of the few companies who still focus on actually making something truly special.

The P90 I've hated in every game I've ever played... only because it is a really good gun. Its just easy mode in every game I've ever seen. Its like gaming's M14, its so easy professional players don't use it cause it feels cheap. So I agree its a great weapon... and thats exactly the reason why not to use it

Incidently on a side note Red Orchestra HoS looks pretty damned sick. I was listening to Ramm in their interview trailer... and I swear I've never seen so much dedication and passion go into the making of a game. Even though WW2 shooters aren't really my bag... I think I might have to buy it. I was just listening to the features Ramm was reeling off and going "*~@# me that $^%*'s just *~@#ing awesome!". I couldn't stop swearing and dancing for 10 minutes ;P

What can I say, its heart warming to finally see a real game coming out. It just looks breathtaking, so even if you aren't a WW2 fan yourself, buy it, its gonna rock

You would love the STALKER series.

 

[Undedd Jester]

Difficulty alone is not what makes a game fun.

True, thats a fair point. A number of games have cocked themselves up by being too hard. However its usually a case of being too hard for the wrong reasons. Difficulty is fine if the player has full control and is required to outsmart the AI. Enjoyment is overcoming a challenge. But the challenge needs to be within the game itself not overcoming bad controls (like Blacksite), poor camera angles (Like Ninja Gaiden 2) or frustrating instifrag game mechanics (Like L4D).

On the flip side no difficulty also doesn't make a game fun. Everyone hated the Sharpshooter because it makes the game too easy. It got really boring to the point that I stopped playing for a long time.

So yeah I agree difficulty isn't the only factor, but it is an important factor, just as much as good controls. If people want easy games they buy Hasbro Family Game Night or Big Beach Sports, they don't buy games like Counter Strike or Red Dead Redemption.

And yeah I might have to look into Stalker, although I heard its pretty long? Or am I thinking of something else?

 

[Rainydaykid]

Yeah, it is fairly long. If you get the first one, get the LURK mod, it makes it a lot better. Also, for Call of Pripyat, the SADIST mod is a good one, it cuts down a lot on ammo and medkit drops. You only get a few bullets off each corpse, upgrades are extremely expensive, and the traders barely have any ammo.

 

[=Evanz=]

The meaning of the scar hasent changed for me i use bullpup and ak until i can buy scar and ak. At the moment this is like round 3 max but i do find the scar has been nurfed a little to much i think it will be perfect if it was brought back the way it was for the new patch as the head shot health on scrates and fps is now much higher so scar will not be able to solo scrates.

 

[Salad Snake]

I think it will be perfect if it was brought back the way it was for the new patch as the head shot health on scrates and fps is now much higher so scar will not be able to solo scrates.

This. Why does the Scar need to stay nerfed if the reason for it doesn't exist anymore? Did it kill Sirens and Husks too easily too? That's what I really miss about it, it was way better then the AK at panic-shooting a Husk about to fire. Are these mid-tier enemies also more SS territory then Commando?

 

[SMIFF]

Are these mid-tier enemies also more SS territory then Commando?

Yes.

 

[Salad Snake]

Yes.

That leaves Commando Crawlers, Clots, and Gorefasts. Isn't the Firebug's flamethrower just as good, if not better at eliminating crowds of 2 out of 3 of those?

I've also always thought the Flamethrower was more effective then one would think at killing Sirens. In fact, I thought they had weakness towards fire when I first started playing. (They don't of course, but it felt like it)

 

[Benjamin]

For the love of god please stop writing "more than" as "more then".

On topic, I always think of the commando's targets as primarily crawlers, clots, and stalkers. The AK handles them perfectly, making the SCAR useless unless it's meant for helping take down the bigger guys (which it fails at due to its average damage).

 

[9_6]

The AK handles them perfectly, making the SCAR useless unless it's meant for helping take down the bigger guys

The bullpup handles them perfectly making the AK useless unless it's meant for helping take down the bigger guys.

 

[Benjamin]

The bullpup handles them perfectly making the AK useless unless it's meant for helping take down the bigger guys.

I disagree, I find the Bullplop fairly weak on suicidal as it takes several headshots to decapitate, and body damage isn't very high for when you miss the head.

 

[Salad Snake]

For the love of god please stop writing "more than" as "more then".

I'm doing my part in simplifying the English language for future generations heheheh....


Anyway, I forgot about Stalkers (doh!). But it really doesn't matter much as she's practically the most underpowered enemy in the entire game, as well as also being effective Flamethrower fuel.


Anyway, it doesn't even feel like the Commando has tiers anymore. Just 3 weapons that are more or less equal in strength. There's nothing wrong with this as it further differentiates the Commando's weapon set from the others, but the price increase from AK to Scar seems completely arbitrary now. Either buff the strength or severely reduce the price.

 

[9_6]

I disagree, I find the Bullplop fairly weak on suicidal as it takes several headshots to decapitate, and body damage isn't very high for when you miss the head.

I disagree, I find the SCAR fairly weak on suicidal as it takes more than 1 bodyshot to deal with crawlers and always the same amount of bodyshots to deal with stalkers as you'd get with an AK and its only remarkable difference is a much smaller mag size.

 

[Benjamin]

I disagree, I find the SCAR fairly weak on suicidal as it takes more than 1 bodyshot to deal with crawlers and always the same amount of bodyshots to deal with stalkers as you'd get with an AK and its only remarkable difference is a much smaller mag size.

Right... I won't discuss this with you if you're going to be silly.

 

[9_6]

Aw but there's still 1 argument missing.
Namely that the SCAR can shoot bullet which can kill enemy, therefore it is fine.

 

[Salad Snake]

Right... I won't discuss this with you if you're going to be silly.

I don't see anything particularly silly with his post. It's pretty much completely factual.

The only thing the Scar has going for it is a scope, which is completely subjective as one can conceivably be just as good at using ironsights.

 

[Marls]

My personal opinion which I have been saying since the patch. Twi ****ed up in messing with the FN SCAR, they just couldnt leave a balanced class alone. (Would of made sense however if they incrased the base amo clip from 20 to 30 as the FN SCAR light)

But I aggree with previously said, that commandos shouldnt be able to have an AK and a FNSCAR. I never have because I beleive you wouldnt really carry two rifles in that situation. I go FNSCAR, 9mm and Katana, or FNSCAR, Handcannon and Katana. A rifle and a submachinegun would be ok too.