Agreeing to EULA after purchase

[mrsirr]

perhaps people are worked up because normally an EULA does not tell people what they can and cannot say.

you're fine with the EULA? congrat-u-f*ckinglations
quit being a prick because you don't agree with the OPINION of others.

Calm down, don't fall back on insults. The issue is that people have reacted too sharply to the EULA. You're thinking it's some thought police thing. It's really not, it's just establishing TW's ability, should the need ever arise, to rhinse some really nasty **** off the KF community.

 

[silverlighted]

perhaps people are worked up because normally an EULA does not tell people what they can and cannot say.

you're fine with the EULA? congrat-u-f*ckinglations
quit being a prick because you don't agree with the OPINION of others.

You're right. Usually, it's something more vague so that the company has even more leeway to do what they want. I'm just gonna post an excerpt from the GTAV (which is the example I posted in the steam forums as well).

Violation of EULA, Code of Conduct, or other policies may result in restriction or termination of access to game or online account

-http://store.steampowered.com/app/271590/

LICENSE CONDITIONS

You agree not to:

1. restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying any online features of the Software

-http://www.rockstargames.com/eula


There you can, rockstargames can technically remove your access to the game if you restrict a user from enjoying the online features of the game. That is vague enough to also include cyberbullying.



But you're not now going to make a post on the gtav forums saying "oh noes, is rockstar going to take away my game because I was making fun of someone? What stuff am I actually allowed to say?"

 

[Rocker Fox]

I'm really not seeing the big issue here and feel it's blown way out of proportion.

It pretty much says what every EULA has said but in far clearer and easier to understand terms. If you act like enough of a jerk to not only get the attention of the community, support and moderation staff but the killing floor devs themselves you catch a ban.

I highly doubt people are going to get banned because someone lost their temper with someone and called them a name once or even twice. Everyone has their moments no matter how hard they try, pretty sure the people at Tripwire understand that considering they play games too.

Now what i would love to see is someone catch a ban for doing something like sending harassing emails en mass or "SWATing", those people don't deserve to play any game IMO.

Honestly i feel a lot better knowing that if someone does something like make a really offensive mod (*cough* School Shooter for Half life 2 *cough*) they can just remove it instead of having to spend time wrapped up in scandal or a legal battle regarding free usage rights.

Considering what people have said about TW in the past and not even been that badly punished i highly doubt it's going to be enforced unless someone is constantly being harassed to the point of near suicide (like posting their address on the internet, leaving them threading emails, phone calls, effecting their work/school life) or hacking is involved.

Tripwire gets my vote of confidence any day and doubly so since they were actually upfront and clear on what their EULA is actually saying.

 

[Holden_McCock]

This. What people are not getting, is that even if they are dumbasses ingame (some people get their rocks off that way), and even if someone tells mommy tripwire, they're probably not going to care.

Unless you chase someone around, all stalker like, making threats which then can be reported to actual law enforcers, and then in case of any legal action taken, Tripwire has their ground covered and can mostly wash their legally and have little to do with it.

Also, if things ever do really get out of hand with a specific user, they can terminate contract if they wish to do so.

Literally every company does this in regards to software. Their law advisors erhm, advise them to do it, and with good reason. Because if companies do not protect themselves, they can be legally skinned alive by opportunists.


Like someone said before, it's basically the same as going to the movies, or even going to your local nightclub. If you're an arsehole and either attack clients or cause damages physical or otherwise, they can call the police on you, and you're out.
You might have already payed the fee to get in, but it doesn't matter, it's the price you pay for NOT acting properly.

Well, it won't be of any worry to me in the end anyway. I don't talk much, and when I do, it's usually to coordinate with other players on dealing with waves of Zeds. I don't find joy in trash talking either and I like to try and encourage people because it's all about having fun and cooperating for me. I just find it an extreme measure if executed for anything below extreme abuse. If it's going to be against some stalker level of abuse, it's justified because that kind of behavior shouldn't be tolerated. If it's for rowdy teenagers trash talking, warnings before a ban is fair but I wouldn't see the point of going as far as to take their key away. I still think whoever gets their key taken away should get refunded. It's a matter of principle in my opinion. But, if it's in the contract and the abuser initially agreed to the EULA then it's fair game for Tripwire. At least it should be stated whether or not they intend to reimburse for the termination of the contract in the EULA.

However, if Tripwire were able to disable the multiplayer aspect of the game so that all the abuser can do is single player then I'd be on board with that. At least whoever paid for the product still initially has the product in some form.

I understand that game companies need to cover their bases legally but this kind of puts the consumer at risk. Even though it is uncommon, certain occurrences like someone's account getting hijacked or people banding together to make a false claim on someone can still happen. Anyhow, I feel a little better. Thanks for responding to me.

(Sorry in advance if I submitted this post twice. My browser kind of conked out when I first submitted)

 

[angmori]

Heh, kinda forgot about this thread, been a busy couple days.

Really sorry that I didn't check on steam. I retract my whole beef with TWI. Sorry guys.

My main problem was with signing a EULA AFTER a purchase, but since, as they have stated and you have shown, to my embarassment, there is a warning on the steam page, I was wrong. Deeply sorry.

However, to those saying "blablabla always been like this, blablabla", well yeah, because when you bought a game in a store, you could talk to the guy selling it, you could actually ask about the EULA if you wanted to, you could cancel your purchase at any time, and you could probably even return the game if something went wrong or you didn't agree to the EULA.
So that's no excuse for how it works in the digital world.

But again, my mistake, ample warning was given beforehand. I don't really give a major crap about "evil EULAs" since, y'know, your choice.

One final time: Sorry TWI.