Agreeing to EULA after purchase

[Eldiablo1989]

Well, i don't think ill be hacking or throwing around ethnic slurs anytime soon. guess i'll be just fine, along with 90% of us, but lets have some sympathy for the trolls. They spent their hard-earned mcdonalds money on this only to find out that a company is tired of putting up with asshats. boo hoo.

Seriously, you guys should be greatful that the company actually gives a **** about their game, i mean look at garry's mod and rust. I'm pretty satisfied with the current situation.

 

[UltraJake]

Didn't RO2 have a similar EULA? That didn't cause much of ruckus, so clearly they're not very quick to ban people.

 

[Moskeeto]

Didn't RO2 have a similar EULA? That didn't cause much of ruckus, so clearly they're not very quick to ban people.

Both KF1 and RO2 have the same clause in their EULA's.

 

[Jpz38 Hetzer]

This is an outrage, I can't believe that there are consequences for my actions!

Seriously, this is more than resonable and I highly doubt Tripwire will abuse this. Please stop over reacting.

 

[Holden_McCock]

Refund?

Refund?

If Tripwire holds the right to just revoke the license of an abusive player, I think it's only fair that they refund the money for said license revoked. Will Tripwire refund the money in this case or do they feel so entitled to keep it?

I personally would find it fair if they did refund for the license revocation. Otherwise, I think legal action should be taken to retrieve such funds. I dislike abusive players as much as the next person but this is still a business transaction and Tripwire is still providing a service for monetary exchange.

Also, how does Tripwire propose to enforce the terms of the EULA pertaining to abusive behavior? What constitutes what is "sexist" and "racist"? I'm sure Tripwire is aware of the audience this game caters to and some players are rowdy and can say things out of turn without meaning it like "trash talking with their friends". All it takes is just one person, in the background, who figures they can make a fiasco out of something and BAM! License revocation.

Now, if someone's being a clear asshole in the forums, I can understand. The proof is right there and a ban should be done. But the bottom line is that at least a refund is due to the person who has their license revoked. So, in the 'unlikely' event that someone is wrongly accused by a mob, they're not cheated out of their initial investment into the game.

 

[SporUS]

I love how Rich of ReviewTechUSA put it: If you are in a movie theater and are yelling and harassing other people, you are going to get your a** thrown out. Ya you paid for the ticket, but so did everyone else and it isn't fair to them that you are ruining it. Same goes for a game. The guys at Tripwire have been nothing but totally AWESOME. They don't wan't to kick players off their game, but want the ability to make sure their community doesn't get destroyed by dumba**es.

Not to mention this is a LAST RESORT, they aren't going to just ban people, they will give them warnings first.

 

[Jpz38 Hetzer]

I love how Rich of ReviewTechUSA put it: If you are in a movie theater and are yelling and harassing other people, you are going to get your a** thrown out. Ya you paid for the ticket, but so did everyone else and it isn't fair to them that you are ruining it. Same goes for a game. The guys at Tripwire have been nothing but totally AWESOME. They don't wan't to kick players off their game, but want the ability to make sure their community doesn't get destroyed by dumba**es.

Not to mention this is a LAST RESORT, they aren't going to just ban people, they will give them warnings first.

This.

 

[mrsirr]

If Tripwire holds the right to just revoke the license of an abusive player, I think it's only fair that they refund the money for said license revoked. Will Tripwire refund the money in this case or do they feel so entitled to keep it?

I personally would find it fair if they did refund for the license revocation. Otherwise, I think legal action should be taken to retrieve such funds. I dislike abusive players as much as the next person but this is still a business transaction and Tripwire is still providing a service for monetary exchange.

Also, how does Tripwire propose to enforce the terms of the EULA pertaining to abusive behavior? What constitutes what is "sexist" and "racist"? I'm sure Tripwire is aware of the audience this game caters to and some players are rowdy and can say things out of turn without meaning it like "trash talking with their friends". All it takes is just one person, in the background, who figures they can make a fiasco out of something and BAM! License revocation.

Now, if someone's being a clear asshole in the forums, I can understand. The proof is right there and a ban should be done. But the bottom line is that at least a refund is due to the person who has their license revoked. So, in the 'unlikely' event that someone is wrongly accused by a mob, they're not cheated out of their initial investment into the game.

This will not, under any circumstances, be a problem for people who are acting civilized. No one is even under serious scrutiny. This is for things that get really out of hand. In the past there have been servers where the residents and owners were so caustic and disturbing they actually arguably could have had charges brought on them at some point. As far as I know even these people were not banned or whatever. It's a secret weapon kinda deal.

 

[UserSD]

This will not, under any circumstances, be a problem for people who are acting civilized. No one is even under serious scrutiny. This is for things that get really out of hand. In the past there have been servers where the residents and owners were so caustic and disturbing they actually arguably could have had charges brought on them at some point. As far as I know even these people were not banned or whatever. It's a secret weapon kinda deal.

This. What people are not getting, is that even if they are dumbasses ingame (some people get their rocks off that way), and even if someone tells mommy tripwire, they're probably not going to care.

Unless you chase someone around, all stalker like, making threats which then can be reported to actual law enforcers, and then in case of any legal action taken, Tripwire has their ground covered and can mostly wash their legally and have little to do with it.

Also, if things ever do really get out of hand with a specific user, they can terminate contract if they wish to do so.

Literally every company does this in regards to software. Their law advisors erhm, advise them to do it, and with good reason. Because if companies do not protect themselves, they can be legally skinned alive by opportunists.


Like someone said before, it's basically the same as going to the movies, or even going to your local nightclub. If you're an arsehole and either attack clients or cause damages physical or otherwise, they can call the police on you, and you're out.
You might have already payed the fee to get in, but it doesn't matter, it's the price you pay for NOT acting properly.

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

This is wrong.

No, This is hilarious. People for some reason are trying to defend acting like racist assholes.

 

[sebo]

if push comes to shove and someone does get banned or whatever they can likely go after TW if they really wanted legally because the EULA comes up AFTER they already bought the game. this is the dumbest thing ever.. when you go buy something in a store and there is a disclaimer you're made aware on the outside package, not after you buy it.

why don't they put the EULA when you add the f*cking game to your cart during the checkout process.
even buying physical game discs have the disclaimer on the box NOT INSIDE where you see it only after buying.

 

[Paronine]

Look at the KF2 store page. It flat-out says that it requires an agreement to a third party EULA and provides a link to the KF2 EULA. Sorry, but anyone who didn't bother to look over the product page before they bought it is at fault, not TWI.

 

[Jpz38 Hetzer]

Look at the KF2 store page. It flat-out says that it requires an agreement to a third party EULA and provides a link to the KF2 EULA. Sorry, but anyone who didn't bother to look over the product page before they bought it is at fault, not TWI.

Pretty much this, people really should pay more attention when buying stuff.

 

[UserSD]

Look at the KF2 store page. It flat-out says that it requires an agreement to a third party EULA and provides a link to the KF2 EULA. Sorry, but anyone who didn't bother to look over the product page before they bought it is at fault, not TWI.

Oh look, someone gets it.

Not only that, but let me grab my old game boxes in a jiffy? Yup, just as I remembered, no EULA on the box. No EULA on the booklet either.

When did I accept that EULA... Oh yeah, during the actual installation of the product like 90% (disclaimer: pulled-out-of-***-stat) of all the software ever made.

 

[Paronine]

Picture proof, just to save anyone the trouble of calling their lawyers:

 

[sebo]

Look at the KF2 store page. It flat-out says that it requires an agreement to a third party EULA and provides a link to the KF2 EULA. Sorry, but anyone who didn't bother to look over the product page before they bought it is at fault, not TWI.

i am aware that it's on the store page but you can't expect people to click though the store links for a disclaimer. it should be presented at the time of sale, the way the EULA opens up AFTER you bought it game. period..

i really don't have a problem with the EULA, i could give 2 sh*ts and if i were a racist or a sexist it sure as hell wouldn't change that.

but i do support these valid concerns being brought up.

 

[UserSD]

i am aware that it's on the store page but you can't expect people to click though the store links for a disclaimer. it should be presented at the time of sale, the way the EULA opens up AFTER you bought it game. period..

i really don't have a problem with the EULA, i could give 2 sh*ts and if i were a racist or a sexist it sure as hell wouldn't change that.

but i do support these valid concerns being brought up.

Actually you could expect it. There's a warning right there, and that warning is presented at the time you're buying the product, the only reason not to click it is either not caring or impulse buying.

Go down to your local brick and mortar to buy a game, ask the clerk if he can show you the EULA before you take the game home, he'll laugh if he's a good sport, if not he'll probably scratch his head.

This is actually an improvement over the old ways.

 

[Jpz38 Hetzer]

i am aware that it's on the store page but you can't expect people to look though the store pages for a disclaimer. it should be presented at the time of sale. period..

Well you should. If people are not smart enough to research the product and actually read the store page (and check out the EULA, especially when it's clearly presented like this one) for the game, then they are a moron.

 

[Paronine]

You don't buy a $3.50 gallon of milk without checking the expiration date first. Why on earth would you spend $30-60 on something without giving it a thorough look? It's not like Tripwire is the first company to attach their own EULA to a Steam game, and they're certainly not the first company to attach an EULA to a game that couldn't even be read until after purchase (which isn't even true in their case).

Hell, I'm still trying to wrap my head around why people are so upset about this when the general Steam EULA basically says you can be shut out of all of your games at any time for any reason they see fit to make up.

People wanna quibble over the fact that the EULA didn't pop up with big neon flashing lights and its gist is "don't be a tool"? My god. No wonder gamers are still looked down upon as a bunch of juvenile troglodytes.

 

[sebo]

You don't buy a $3.50 gallon of milk without checking the expiration date first. Why on earth would you spend $30-60 on something without giving it a thorough look? It's not like Tripwire is the first company to attach their own EULA to a Steam game, and they're certainly not the first company to attach an EULA to a game that couldn't even be read until after purchase (which isn't even true in their case).

Hell, I'm still trying to wrap my head around why people are so upset about this when the general Steam EULA basically says you can be shut out of all of your games at any time for any reason they see fit to make up.

People wanna quibble over the fact that the EULA didn't pop up with big neon flashing lights and its gist is "don't be a tool"? My god. No wonder gamers are still looked down upon as a bunch of juvenile troglodytes.

perhaps people are worked up because normally an EULA does not tell people what they can and cannot say.

you're fine with the EULA? congrat-u-f*ckinglations
quit being a prick because you don't agree with the OPINION of others.