About microphone freedom...

[RJ_MacReady]

I've been playing today on a Russian server (I believe it's name was Russian Server No. 1 or something like that, anyway it's not important). It was okay, until one girl started to throw insults on a Russian team via her microphone (f-words only). I wouldn't care if she did this one or twice. But she constantly kept spitting vulgar words at our team, followed by some nazi songs. I mean, I don't have anything against women singing Panzerlied (as I've once read - it was even adapted by US tank troops), but she started to play some neo-nazi metal songs! I can only imagine what they were about, as they were all in German. She began to really annoy everyone (I don't have to tell you that she was on the German team, right?). Lina was her nickname. People were getting more and more pissed on her but she kept playing those nazi songs all over three maps! She was kicked out one or to times due to voting (but I doubt that it works, as when I press F4 to "yes", the command line says nothing). But she kept coming back.
I tried telling angry teammates not to feed the troll, but really, it's hard to ignore the creature when it constantly invades your ears with nazi songs.
On Apartments, another idiot joined her - Brandt was his nickname. He kept playing those nazi songs all the time.
CONCLUSION:
Please, please and once again please TWI...
Include an option to mute certain VoIP players in the next patch, so we could just cast an AD&D Silence spell on such people.
Playing nazi songs is illegal in most of European countries (mine included) and I felt really offended by them tonight.

 

[MarioBava]

CONCLUSION:
Please, please and once again please TWI...
Include an option to mute certain VoIP players in the next patch, so we could just cast an AD&D Silence spell on such people.
Playing nazi songs is illegal in most of European countries (mine included) and I felt really offended by them tonight.

There is an option for this in the game. Hit esc to get to the in-game menu, click communication, then highlight the offending player's name, and then choose to mute that player.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Wow, thanks for the tip! I'll try it immediately.

 

[AsoBit]

Haha yeah I was in there too. I muted the music lols

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Oh man, you've managed to mute Lina and her buddy. But just imagine what I've been through by listening to this duo and their nazi songs for at least two hours. What a terrible experience it was!
But now I shall know what to do the next time they appear on the server.

 

[SchabeOink]

...she started to play some neo-nazi metal songs! I can only imagine what they were about, as they were all in German.

did she say what the songs were about? otherwise I might see a flaw in your argument....

 

[RJ_MacReady]

I, personally, don't know what those songs were about as I'm not too fluent in German. What I can only say is that one of them sounded like it was made by Rammstein (still, it was about Hitler and Himmler as their names were repeated constantly), but most of them were pure Nazi-German military marches (Hitler speeches included). Just add to it a girl calling everyone from the Russian team a f****ng /insert whatever vulgar word you can think of/ (I could write a list as I have a good memory, but I don't think it would be appropriate to use such a vocabulary on this forum).
And this girl didn't just say it once in a while. There weren't 10 seconds without Lina insulting the whole team for no reason.

And...

did she say what the songs were about?

Sure.
She stated this very clearly.
Do you want me to repeat her uncensored words?

 

[SchabeOink]

naw dude naw, was just puzzled by the apparent inconsitency of your post. carry on.

 

[Destraex]

Some people are nuts. I bet she was high on something. Lucky I am not in that region.
Funny thing is the server admin probably has her IP. Should be reported somewhere so authorities can keep an eye out.

Whats even funnier is that the german troops of the day I'm sure in the majority of standard wehrmacht cases were not so full of hate.

Question is what side won? Did the propaganda work on the Russian side or just annoy them so they fought harder?

 

[leathery]

destraex I don't think that's the case, maybe brainwashed and drunk? High people are nice people until they aren't high anymore.

 

[amdr]

destraex I don't think that's the case, maybe brainwashed and drunk? High people are nice people until they aren't high anymore.

Because we raid your fridge afterwards?

 

[Barleyman]

Yup, I was there too. I was prodding people about how to mute those dickweeds.

But the real question is: WHY DID THE VOTE TO KICK NOT WORK?!?!

I can't believe people were not hitting F4 to confirm booting those locos.

 

[MarioBava]

I, personally, don't know what those songs were about as I'm not too fluent in German. What I can only say is that one of them sounded like it was made by Rammstein (still, it was about Hitler and Himmler as their names were repeated constantly), but most of them were pure Nazi-German military marches (Hitler speeches included).

Rammstein afaik are not neo-nazi, but it is perennially debated. They overtly denounce nazism, neo-nazism, racism, and bigotry, but certain aesthetic choices of theirs constantly lead people to suspect that they must be crypto-nazis who have cleverly encoded their work while publicly maintaining a front of benign anti-nazism. Ultimately I don't side with that conclusion because in contemporary criticism we are for a long time already well beyond the naivete of assuming that because an artist uses or cites a certain aesthetic that they are committed to the original ideology of that aesthetic. Unity of form and content, as in modern criticism, is no longer safely assumed. In brief, I honestly have no reason not to believe them when they publicly denounce nazism.

But, also, there are bands that sound like Rammstein who are in fact neo-nazi, and overtly so. So it's easy to become confused.

 

[Strelnikov]

Rammstein afaik are not neo-nazi, but it is perennially debated. They overtly denounce nazism, neo-nazism, racism, and bigotry, but certain aesthetic choices of theirs constantly lead people to suspect that they must be crypto-nazis who have cleverly encoded their work while publicly maintaining a front of benign anti-nazism. Ultimately I don't side with that conclusion because in contemporary criticism we are for a long time already well beyond the naivete of assuming that because an artist uses or cites a certain aesthetic that they are committed to the original ideology of that aesthetic. Unity of form and content, as in modern criticism, is no longer safely assumed. In brief, I honestly have no reason not to believe them when they publicly denounce nazism.

But, also, there are bands that sound like Rammstein who are in fact neo-nazi, and overtly so. So it's easy to become confused.

This is pretty much right on. Some neo-Nazis took the Rammstein tune "Sonne" and took out the lyrics, keeping the music and adding their own lyrics about Hitler, Himmler, et al.

Go to YouTube and enter "Hitler" and "Rammstein" together and it will come up. I will almost bet this is what the OP is referring to...

 

[Machete234]

It was okay, until one girl started to throw insults on a Russian team via her microphone (f-words only). I wouldn't care if she did this one or twice. But she constantly kept spitting vulgar words at our team, followed by some nazi songs. I mean, I don't have anything against women singing Panzerlied (as I've once read - it was even adapted by US tank troops), but she started to play some neo-nazi metal songs!

Have you ever thought it might be a 14 year old boy who is a bit delayed in his developement?

Oh man, you've managed to mute Lina and her buddy. But just imagine what I've been through by listening to this duo and their nazi songs for at least two hours. What a terrible experience it was!
But now I shall know what to do the next time they appear on the server.

I wouldnt listen to nazi songs for 2 hours, Id rather bang my head on a wall.
And I think you should be able to ban these people from your server since this kind of thing is illegal in many countries.

 

[G_Sajer]

This stuff is going to happen from time to time. If the admins are alert, the perps will be kicked in short order. But sometimes the mute feature or voice volume can be handy. My biggest pet-peave is two people on the team channel suddenly striking up a totally non-game related topic that goes on endlessly. It usually happens during a really intense game where focus and squad leader direction is essential. It'll make you nuts.

 

[NoxNoctum]

destraex I don't think that's the case, maybe brainwashed and drunk? High people are nice people until they aren't high anymore.

Ya I have trouble picturing someone smoking a joint and spouting national socialist ideology .

 

[UncleDrax]

Include an option to mute certain VoIP players in the next patch, so we could just cast an AD&D Silence spell on such people.

True Gamers play Basic Edition.. you're on my lawn :]

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Have you ever thought it might be a 14 year old boy who is a bit delayed in his developement?

Well, no. Actually Lina is a woman who gave birth to a baby, or at least that's what she was telling everybody on the server. Hell, everyone with a keen eear even heard the baby crying from time to time between her/Herr (what a coincidence) Hitler songs. Brandt on the other hand might have been 14. But I'd say he was no more than eight.

True Gamers play Basic Edition.. you're on my lawn :]

Basic edition? But that must've been a long, long time ago, no? ... Hookay, I admit. I've never touched a P&P AD&D or D&D game. My experience with those games is of purely computer origin - beginning from SSI's Gold Box series, through Black Isle's Icewind Dale and the glorious Baldur's Gade to Neverwinter Nights (Amia NWN persistent world server exclusively... ogrillion me be, yarr!)

 

[Sensemann]

Rammstein afaik are not neo-nazi, but it is perennially debated. They overtly denounce nazism, neo-nazism, racism, and bigotry, but certain aesthetic choices of theirs constantly lead people to suspect that they must be crypto-nazis who have cleverly encoded their work while publicly maintaining a front of benign anti-nazism. Ultimately I don't side with that conclusion because in contemporary criticism we are for a long time already well beyond the naivete of assuming that because an artist uses or cites a certain aesthetic that they are committed to the original ideology of that aesthetic. Unity of form and content, as in modern criticism, is no longer safely assumed. In brief, I honestly have no reason not to believe them when they publicly denounce nazism.

But, also, there are bands that sound like Rammstein who are in fact neo-nazi, and overtly so. So it's easy to become confused.

As a big Rammstein fan myself, I have to clear this out: Rammstein is anything BUT right wing supporting. Years ago, they released the song "Links 2-3-4", where the German text basically says: "They want my heart at the right place but if I look down myself, it's beating left".

Also, long time ago, Rammstein was more popular in the US than in GER and their concerts were often crowded by Skinheads in the US (in Germany, people knew that they weren't due to their songtexts being known as anything but right wing ideology). German media of course tried to get a statement out of Rammstein if it was okay to be popular on US Skin groups. Their answer was sth like this: "We don't care if those idiots do not understand our texts and interprete sth into it. If they pay for our tickets, then they cannot waste their money on alcohol and stupid actions, which is by far better".

Use google translate for: [url]http://www.shortnews.de/id/533404/Vorwurf-zurueckgewiesen-Gruppe-Rammstein-ist-nicht-rechts[/URL]

Rammstein is playing around with all sorts of lyrics and graphic visualisations because as they stated, they want the listener/viewer to start thinking about certain mentioned aspects.
Look the video of the song "Amerika" and listen to the song with subtitle if you don't speak German. That gives a good idea, I suppose.