A question concerning Forum-avatars (Soliderpics)

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Murphy

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Guilty until proven innocent...
In Nazi Germany, maybe... Our perception of justice changed a bit since then, in case you haven't noticed.:IS2:

Besides, it doesn't say every German soldier was a nazi. It says photos of people in uniforms of soldiers who fought for the nazis arguably carry a certain meaning.

What you should think of this, if you're using such photos in a mature manner, is that this is true and you consciously accept this but you decide to use the photos anyway because a) you need them for the purpose of role-playing and b) you trust yourself to not be a nazi and you trust others to see that, despite your use of this imagery.
You can't just turn a blind eye to it and ignore the implications because you don't like them!

I mean, of course you can. It's none of my business. But in my humble opinion, this doesn't constitute a mature use of the photos anymore and the "they weren't all nazis, you know?" rhetoric doesn't change that.
 

Homuth

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Its realism fan boys. They should be smited by society for being weird, virginal, friendless losers.

I joined one of there ventrillos and they actually all said salute when an "officer" joined the channel.


Assuming the avatar thing is more representation of that type of crap.

You made my day, the typical clanner. Man (boy?)... you've set a new standard :D:D:D
 

{Core}Craig

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You made my day, the typical clanner.


Not at all. I completely understand people wishing to be competitive, its a natural part of life/society.

What a lot of people don't understand is the need to, what I see, insult the fallen. Stealing pictures and acting like real world soldiers in a computer game somehow lets you experience their sacrifices. Its in insult to our dead, wounded and fighting to have some one try to emulate what they done and claim its a tribute. Its simply not. I dont mean axis v allies gaming, I mean the actual usage of their images, names etc for use in forums, ingame names and realism clan life.

Go to war, live it, then you wont be wanting to act like it on the internet. Ive friends back from Iraq/Afghan who wake up in the middle of night screaming, tough men, hard as nails, been forced to do things to make sure your safer in your bed each night. In a few years if someone tries to form a clan using his image or memory I would want to knock them out.



Respect the heroes, don't insult them by claiming their sacrifice for some silly little internet gaming clan wannabe thing.


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Crusher

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The soldiers don't care because they're dead, the family doesn't care because if they did they would say so. The chance that the family of one of those soldiers would come here is relatively small. Whetever having a soldier as avatar is wrong or not is subjective, some might find it offensive, other might find it respecting. Perhaps it's better to not allow avatars of soldiers as they could create a conflict between people with opposite morals because the forum should remain neutral.
 
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Homuth

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Go to war, live it, then you wont be wanting to act like it on the internet. Ive friends back from Iraq/Afghan who wake up in the middle of night screaming, tough men, hard as nails, been forced to do things to make sure your safer in your bed each night. In a few years if someone tries to form a clan using his image or memory I would want to knock them out.

Respect the heroes, don't insult them by claiming their sacrifice for some silly little internet gaming clan wannabe thing.


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I see this all the time, this assumption that all gamers have never been to war or don't have any military experience. This simply is not true, example: The 305. Infanterie Division ( Which I'm part of ) is a group which largely (90%) consists of men who have served in a army, and has member who experienced war in Vietnam Iraq, Afghanistan ect.

We don't want the soldiers who fell and survived in WWII to be forgotten. We actively honour them in our own way, like I also honour fallen soldiers in The Netherlands during WWII by going to our local ceremony every 4th of May and lay down flowers at the memorial. Less and less people come to those events, which isn't that surprising to me, they'd rather post messages on their Ipod/pad whatever, instead of doing something 'boring' anyway.

RO meant to represent reality for a large part is in my mind a new way of remembering what happened in the past, which is good in my opinion, at least better then letting it fade away. What you think is respectful to the fallen is up to you, we have our own way.

Many posts from me are not serious, but this one isn't one of them.

We have a habit of being open to opinions and not force your own opinion to someone else here in the Netherlands, we've learned from History you see.
 
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{Core}Craig

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As a member of the forces, have you lost a buddy in war? How would you feel about someone, unknown to you, using his image and name and for all purposes, pretending to be him . . maybe we don't see it the same way, but I think its insulting.

I'm assuming you don't mind peoples memories and sacrifice being used that way.
 

Homuth

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Well first of all, the names are fictional, they never existed as in person (especially famous ones), which is a rule in our unit as well as many others. The avatars do not connect to our names because the names are fictional. They do connect to the unit, the 305th, which both avatar and signature are pictures of.

Homuth is a German variant on the Dutch surname Homoet, which is also a brand of an exhaust system. Another example is Biermann, well you can guess what he likes drinking

How would you feel about someone, unknown to you, using his image and name and for all purposes, pretending to be him . .
Guess I'll inform him what the real person was like and explain to him that wearing his image and name brings responsibility and that he has to be aware of that all time. It's up to him what to do with that.
 
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Landrik

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It feels like this is more or less the "Unofficial poke fun at realism players thread" :rolleyes:

In my signature there is nearly a platoon size group of men on the move in the suburbs of Stalingrad.

Chances are that every single man in this picture are dead to this day. They were real men fighting for reasons of their own and more or less forgotten by time.

In my time with reenacting I've seen the impact what a little bit of history lesson goes. Do history schools in the United States (or in many countries) care to talk about what happened on the Eastern Front in the second world war? How many people out there take an active interest in how things were? All it takes is a family going out to an airshow and asking a few "weird, virginal, friendless losers" about 'What gun is that?' 'What does this do?' etc. to learn something they otherwise would have no exposure to.

Joining the 305.Pionier-Bataillon has exposed a lot of history of the unit to myself that I otherwise would have never known. 'Saluting' officers sounds beyond stupid. What doesn't sound stupid is using period tactics to crush our enemies that even works in pubbing servers.

On the point of actual military, my father and uncle both serve in the USMC and have done multiple tours overseas into warzones. Doesn't take much to imagine the horrors they endured from the stories they told. Who wants to see dead children or families decapitated because they were caught "helping" American soldiers? Who wants to see someone you could call a brother get blown up by an IED and pick up the pieces to ship back home?

Point is, in the future, who will be around to remind everyone of the horrors they had to endure when they're dead and gone? Books, films, and reenactors. Do you get pissed off at all of the actors in Band of Brothers for portraying dead men? Think about what you're saying.
 

Reise

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Saying you're using peoples' images to "rememeber" them is quite a cop-out. Did you know them? Do you even know their names?

Those few of you who do can use that as your excuse I suppose. The rest of you... Eh...

There are better ways to pay respect to "forgotten" soldiers. Namely actually finding out who they were and not simply using their likeness as your trademark image for a video game forum.
 

MrLebanon

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It feels like this is more or less the "Unofficial poke fun at realism players thread" :rolleyes:

well the OP was merely saying to have some empathy

Imagine if you had lost a loved one in a war and just happened to see their pic of them in uniform as some random persons pic in a gaming forum

Chances of it happening? Slim

The OP is just trying to be respectful I suppose
 
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Landrik

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Well if someone typed in "Afghanistan USMC Captain Artillery" in google (or search-engine of the future) and used a picture of my father as their avatar or signature it wouldn't bother me.

Speaking of my father, he fought and commanded in the middle east and is very much about honoring the dead and remembering those who didn't survive such terrible conflicts throughout time. Actually today I'm going to a cemetery in Fredericksburg, VA replacing a destroyed headstone with a newer one so that people can actually read his name.

I can sympathise with the concern being shown. However (I can only speak for the 305. ID of course) we make sure we teach our unit members about the history of the unit and everything we can. The picture in Homuth's signature? Those are men of Infanterie-Regiment 577 waiting for the assault on Dezrenskiey Tractor Factory. His avatar? A Leutnant from the heavy weapons company. I wouldn't do anything to dishonor the dead or cause concern for their living relatives. That's just abrasive.
 

Felix Ostheim

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Who ever said we're trying to 'be' the people in our sigs or avatars? What about sigs or avatars with multiple soldiers in them? This thread truly is an 'attack the realism guys' thing. I think it is raging clanners like Craig who are the ones that are taking this game too far.
 
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Major Liability

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In my time with reenacting I've seen the impact what a little bit of history lesson goes. Do history schools in the United States (or in many countries) care to talk about what happened on the Eastern Front in the second world war? How many people out there take an active interest in how things were? All it takes is a family going out to an airshow and asking a few "weird, virginal, friendless losers" about 'What gun is that?' 'What does this do?' etc. to learn something they otherwise would have no exposure to.

This is a good point. I know high school graduates in this country who didn't even know Russia was in WWII.

I can't speak for any soldiers, but if I were one I personally would be amused if someone used me as an avatar. Like Lu Bu - he's the most powerful character in Dynasty Warriors that everyone else runs from. You know you were one hell of a fighter if they're making you an OP character in video games 1,800 years later.
 

{Core}Craig

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@Felix, i'm in no way raging? Why do you get that impression. I'm simply having a discussion. One that we ended up having mid game :eek:

You on the other hand just came in to insult someone then left, have a debate rather than simply throw insults about. To me, this seems rather more rage filled than any discussion posts i've made.



@Landrick, I do like education, I think it can help alot with such things, but I dont see image usage as education at all.

Do all the images have a story behind them?
 
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Joseph-Porta

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I have soliderpics yes..
One, my avatar is myself (Rather obvious though)
Secondly, the Signature is my grandfather somewhere in Netherlands


Well would you like to have your dead relative's, who fought in the war, picture running around as a forum avatar here? :rolleyes:

OP makes a good observation... :D

Shout out to Nebsif

I love this one xD

Just a shame I almost qualify as an troll ._.
Creepeh name, WW2 photo, WW2 sig (dont think its creepeh tho?)..


This is simply answered by "A picture is worth a thousand words". Of course they all have a story to them. It might be difficult finding names to the faces in these photos, but that comes with the huge loss of media on the German side when the kessel closed and so much was lost.
Whats a real shame is that the second "fishtruck" never got out =/
 
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Landrik

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Whats a real shame is that the second "fishtruck" never got out =/

You heard of that too? Very interesting if it's true.

Actually I have a book made by Hans Saenger from the 79 Infanterie-Division with tons of pictures in it. However, once it goes to Stalingrad there are few photos of the division itself and a lot of photos of other units in the battle. Shows how little media there is about Stalingrad compared to France 1940 or Kiev and Kharkov. It's called "Bildbang 2 der 79.Infanterie-Division Tapfer und True 1939--1945".