A Message To The Modding Community

[Blockbot]

huh, reminds me why I stoped drawing 3d stuff on my spare time. I never tried animating or texturing my stuff. since we have someone else at work that does it. but I can draw a 9mm baretta in detail from the barrel to the text back of the bullets in 4hours.

think I shared about 3-5 weapons pluss other awzm buildings and vehicles online. that was the standard grey I usually draw my stuff in. and I wrote "Contact me if your downloading stuff and simular. so I can try the finnished product." but once-twice I saw my gun totally finnished without me knowing anything. so I Stopped I atleast want some sort of credit of what I do :/

 

[Infernalslayer]

I am not a modder myself and have no idea of how to mod but after watching friends working on mods i know how tiresome and frustrating as well as time consuming it is to work on something on your own. On the other hand, we have those smart people among us who dedicate hours of their lives to create something unique and then give it to the rest of the community for free to play on as much as we like. The only thing we can do, is show our respect to those people, who provide us with free new content to keep us interested in the game, and give them credit for their work wherever possible. Everything else on our side would be selfish and singleminded. That's my opinion.

 

[Gartley]

I'm in part glad that a dialogue has been opened by my post and even more so that it has been kept civil. So thank you guys for that.

To address your post Skinner; it's not so much the act taking and changing some damage/cost values etc of my mod that annoys me personally. I know people are going to want things to fit in with there servers, and I'm not so simple to think other wise. The difference being that the medishotgun in particular is a work in progress. If you read what I consider my 'finished' mods, I release the assets and ask that if you edit you tell me why. I do this for two reasons, one so that people may learn from what I've done and two, I may learn from you when you make changes.

It's the act of decompiling what I consider a work in progress to then edit without asking me first that I don't like. During what I consider the development cycle of a weapon I ask for feedback on the weapon as is. Editing and changing beyond simple code means decompiling and editing core packages which I'm personally not happy about. If someone had written a new gun code that references my models etc I'd be fine with as long as I get a nod and the reasons why. And doubly more so if they provided much needed bug fixes and balance ideas.

I have a rough idea of those have played the gun as is and those who have made changes. Only one of those that have made changes to code have been in touch and given me feedback. And they asked permission first.

In regards to 3xzet to have edited that package means he would have had to taken a program like umodel and converted into PSKs and PSAs which he would have had to use a plugin like ActorXImporter to then edit the model in Maya or 3DSMax before reimporting and packaging. I was never actually angry at him just annoyed. I just wish he had asked beforehand or tried talking to me. There must have been a moment where the thought of 'He's taking such a long time, I'll just finish it.' crossed his mind. Now all my original post asks for is 'He's taking such a long time, I'll ask if he wants my help to finish it.'

Hope that clears some things up.

 

[Dave_Scream]

If i dont want to wait the moment Author finish his mod, I can without asking take his mod, and fix somethink. because I need this. because I want to use it on my server as fast as I can and dont want to wait author fixing.

if I good person, thinking not only about myself, I can write some manual for author and other peoples how-to fix mod.

I think all this things dont need author asking.

this is normal position in Russia. In Europe some strange things happens.

Why author so want other peoples ask him to take and fix his mod? Why I must ask you? and what if author say "NO"? If he say no so I cant fix his work? even if I need it and can fix it myself? lol no. I take it, fix it, and will use it without asking.

 

[halbridious]

I am not looking for greatness. I'm just an intermediary between users and modders, get nothing from the users, and in no way obliged to modders. These are the realities of life in Killind Floor Community

Dear mr. Sk1nneR,
you are hearby fired from your position as spokesperson of the users. because we don't want you holding ambassadorial power if your going to say things like "the users are in no way obliged to modders".
Thank you.

As for Dave - you DO need to ask permission. I don't care how you do it in Russia, TWI isn't Russian, the major players of this community aren't Russian. When you join a community you play by its rules.

This is exaggeration, but essentially your saying that if it was OK to kill someone in Russia, you should be able to do it in France, even tho French law forbids it (i mean no offense by that example, i just wanted something obvious to point out)...

 

[Dave_Scream]

As for Dave - you DO need to ask permission.

I just cant understand and agree with this position. (different mentality/mindset)
Why I need to spend time for asking if I can take it fix it and share fixed version. Author must thank me for that

I think all this speech can be sended to null. Because I will make things as I imagine it.

 

[Gartley]

Dave, maybe you missed something when you read my post.

We have no protection of our mods. So I ask for the simple common courtesy that is someone asks before taking. I believe stealing is still wrong in Russia?

Now if you did fix my mod, great, but I don't' see you posting the fixes back to the modders, how can we thank you for the fix when you've not shown us.

Again, we ask for the simple common courtesy. If you visit Europe would you not be mindful of it's customs?

 

[Dave_Scream]

Again, we ask for the simple common courtesy. If you visit Europe would you not be mindful of it's customs?

You ask(not demand) for courtesy. now I understand and agreed.

 

[Hemi]

You presume we say no Dave... Let me say it like this then... You handcrafted a model airplane of some sort. Then when your not looking I break off a wing and put a note by it saying..."Its better this way, bye"

I could just have tapped you on the shoulder and say..."hey, you mind if I have a go?" or "lets try to make this plane fly!"

We arent unaproachable aholes yunno, just ask is all we are saying.

 

[halbridious]

I just cant understand and agree with this position. (different mentality/mindset)
Why I need to spend time for asking if I can take it fix it and share fixed version. Author must thank me for that

I think all this speech can be sended to null. Because I will make things as I imagine it.

Here's teh problem - whether you agree or not, not asking or contacting the maker of the origional work is wrong. End of story. It doesn't matter what you believe, if the maker was kind enough to share, and believes you must ask permission, then you ask permission. if the guy says "go ahead and fool with it" you're good, but very few modders invite you do that.

You seem to think you have a choice - i'm going to let you in on a secret. YOU DO. but if you want a mod to make that choice about, you'd better play it nice and not piss off the modders.

 

[Benjamin]

I don't think there's anything wrong with fixing a bug in someone's (public) mod and then running it on a public server. It'd be nice if the author were contacted with the fix for the bug, but I don't feel it's a necessity. I guess it might depend on the mod though.

 

[Hemi]

well then...shall I put the Maul on our servers then?

 

[TrueLolzor]

Been long since Maul was announced and no further information about him has been given.
Is he's alive at all?

 

[Gartley]

I don't think there's anything wrong with fixing a bug in someone's (public) mod and then running it on a public server. It'd be nice if the author were contacted with the fix for the bug, but I don't feel it's a necessity. I guess it might depend on the mod though.

I don't think it's wrong, but it would be nice to be asked before hand and also sent the fix.

Say you've taken the time to make something, you've put it down to go make a cup of tea, and you come back just about to put the finishing touches to it... and someone has stepped in and finished it and thrown it out there.

I think it's a case of what the author thinks is ok or not. And just because they didn't stipulate they'd rather you didn't do it doesn't mean you shouldn't ask to make sure. Maybe because I'm English and the concepts of politeness and etiquette are almost engrained into me but I'd like to be asked before someone edits my work.

 

[Hemi]

Been long since Maul was announced and no further information about him has been given.
Is he's alive at all?

Got him right here, but benjamin is waiting for people's interest or something lol..so Im kinda waiting for him to finish the code.

But hey, who needs interest when you can just steal it from a server and call it your own. Common courtesy? Never heard from it. Fck you and your hours of work in it. I dont have the balls to ask you if I could possibly write an extension on your script, Ill just take it! Hell...ILL EVEN SELL IT!

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And they wonder why we love this community so much.

 

[halbridious]

The problem isn't fixing a bug, its decompiling a project without asking, notifying the author, and doing so when the author probably asked for information. I know gartley does.

 

[MetalMedved]

The main problem of Killing Floor Modding Community is YOU personally

 

[halbridious]

Ohrly. What have i done that's immoral and directly against the requests of the modding community? .. .. ..

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Still waiting.

 

[Benjamin]

well then...shall I put the Maul on our servers then?

I'm talking about things that have been publicly released.

I don't think it's wrong, but it would be nice to be asked before hand and also sent the fix.

Say you've taken the time to make something, you've put it down to go make a cup of tea, and you come back just about to put the finishing touches to it... and someone has stepped in and finished it and thrown it out there.

You do make a convincing argument. I'd be pretty annoyed if a WIP I was hosting on my server was fixed by someone else and ran on someone else's server without telling me, since I'd be running the 'broken' version yet someone else would have the better version of something that I myself made. I guess I'd only feel it's not a problem if the mod is old and hasn't been worked on for a while.

Got him right here, but benjamin is waiting for people's interest or something lol..so Im kinda waiting for him to finish the code.

As a matter of fact recently I've had some fresh ideas about what to do with the Maul, it's just a matter of finding time to try them out. I'm really busy this week but next week I'll put some of my ideas into practice and see how they turn out.

And they wonder why we love this community so much.

Now now, not everyone on this community does this. There are a few bad apples, but there are bad apples everywhere.

 

[Azaghal]

The main problem of Killing Floor Modding Community is YOU personally

Says a scrub who charges prices for "his" mutators on a website. GTFO.