A bit hard on tripwire...

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StraitJacket

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I don't know about anyone else, but i see so many people complaining like crazy about the game, making wild insults and accusations about tripwire being money hungry, lazy, COD wannabes.

I hear people say they released the game early as to not run into competition with huge-budget big-publisher games like BF3. This isn't something to be mad about even if it is true. tripwire has delivered a gem of a gaming experience to realism and WWII junkies with ROOST and with HoS. this seems like the logical marketing decision, seeing as they're trying to draw more players, ergo more money, ergo BETTER, MORE EFFICIENT games that aren't recycled COD garbage.

Secondly, people are overreacting about the glitches. yeah, the game is buggy. it's REALLY buggy for that matter. but the fact is, tripwire can spot and solve all these problems 10 times faster with feedback from gamers like us, whereas the game would be coming out in 2012 or 13 if we had to just wait for a small dev team to make all those corrections. tripwire is talented, but they are relatively small and this is an ambitious game, that considering their resources is truly awesome. and personally, the thing that annoys me so far most about the game is the amount of whiny dicks cramming the public chat with how much they hate the MKb42 or the cover system.

We should be thankful that there's a dedicated dev team that will (hopefully in the near future) manage to eliminate all these problems. i take solace in the fact that this is a work in progress and eventually all the problems will be fixed, because this is a dedicated, talented dev team that has never let us down before as gamers!

RO is about realism. and in reality you have to adapt to make the best of a situation. particularly a MILITARY situation. Me? well i often don't use the cover system, but in situations where it's handy, like a trench or a doorway where blindfiring might be useful, i attach to that wall and splatter the brains out of some commies. but sometimes it's better to just crouch behind the sandbags and pivot to get that perfect shot without getting your own brains turned into a jackson pollock.

i'm just saying i see some people taking it really hard on HoS and tripwire, and i think any true RO or tripwire fan should know that the trouble is worth it to advance gaming to a standard higher than recycled call of doodie garbage.

with all that patronizing and whining out of the way, i'd like to say that i have had no trouble enjoying this game. i think its awesome, fun to play, and i love the single player campaigns. i love it and i cant wait for mods, updates, unlocks, and new maps.

so if you see a tripwire dev walking down the street, pointing his finger pistol at cars and yelling in russian, give them a hug and say thank you. or at least stop giving them so much crap.

have a nice day. :D
 

DeltaElite121

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These same people wouldn't be happy no matter how perfect the game is. I ignore them. They are the typical customer that *****es about nothing simply because they can. Those are the ones to ignore because they feel ENTITLED. It's like they forget that every game that has ever been released has never been perfect. Some are better than others, but if it's multiplayer it's ALWAYS going to take a few months of tweaking to get it to where it should be at. If you don't think that then you're in the wrong hobby. Of course they say that being tolerant of these issues makes us bottomfeeders, but it's not like that. Claiming you've got a finished product (like Age of Conan) and then dumping it off on the customers while DENYING that problems even exist is horrible. TWI didn't deny they were rushing at the end and would need more time to finish things. So far, they've been doing that. If you're asking for anything more than that - this world doesn't revolve around you. I'm also a customer, and I'm perfectly fine with how the game plays.. and I've played it on a 6 year old computer and a brand new rig just fine.

Case and point - don't be a dick customer just because you can be.. especially since you don't like to be treated that way. Hell, don't treat anyone like that. There's no reason to be like that even if they (the other person) is clearly in the wrong.
 

katzcinsky

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Feb 17, 2011
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+1

while there are many threads saying the same things, i feel that it needs to be said again.

there's definitely room for input, but we should be grateful.. there aren't many developers who would stand by their games post-release. berating and insulting TWI is not only obnoxious but immature, disrespectful, and downright rude.

i hope TWI has been able to keep their heads above it all.
 

Coolicus

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Jan 2, 2008
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I think most people are upset because first of all the devs have insinuated that this community on the forums in the grand scheme of things isn't a primary concern of theirs. It makes sense but it also feels like a slap in the face to all of us who have supported TWI when they didn't have the money they have now.

Then, further to this you must consider the fundamental inconstancies between how the game was portrayed and how it actually is - some of which can be blamed on bugs but other choices are very clearly design decisions that go contrary to what was previously said for example the idea that the rare weapons would actually be rare and not serve as replacements for the standard issue:

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=759970&postcount=152

But most of all people are upset because they actually care about the game. They care that what many consider to be the lifeblood of Ostfront - the back and forth of taking and losing objectives has been lost to the blight that is lockdown. They care that any kind of historical pretensions have been sacrificed at the altar of mass marketability. And they care that we don't have any choice in the "Upgrades" that go on our weapons. They don't want to be forced to use a certain scope on their rifle. They don't want to be forced into using a bayonet. They don't like being stripped of freedom which if you are doing something as arcadey as attachments and upgrades is essential. They don't like the fact that historical standard issue weapons have been unrealistically altered (PPSh41) on the grounds of being imbalanced balance whilst a prototype assault rifle has been included that makes an absolute farce of any semblance of balance.

At the end of the day its Tripwires IP and they can do as they will with it regardless of how I feel - I'm not a shareholder. But it doesn't mean I and others cannot be disappointed at where it seems to be headed. I have faith in modders that they will alter the game thanks to the SDK (one thing I can support TWI on still) and will strip out the stuff that most of the veterans could really do without

I hope that explains it.
 
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DeltaElite121

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Sep 12, 2011
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See that? THAT is ok, because it's polite and constructive. If you lurk around on here you'll see the same crowd acting like spoiled children demanding things, while arguing with other people over "what is realistic" or "what it should be" when most people on this forum clearly don't know their way around their own desktop, let alone a firearm of any sort. I'm personally sick of the whining, especially since much of it is coming from adults. That's just pathetic.
 

StraitJacket

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Aug 27, 2011
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well

well

coolicus, the concerns you brought up just seem to minuscule to me. im confident that this concern will be taken into account and upgrades will be customizable to allow players who dont want them to remove them within a few updates.

lockdown is not an issue... just play territory. anyone who is concerned about that is just uninformed. if you want classic RO, play territory. i know i do.

as far as weapons. well i personally, even the realism and WWII junkie that i am, love them. it doesn't really make a difference to me. its still RO, and i find it hard to believe that the existance of some not so true to life equipment could actually ruin the game for anyone. i love the realism of RO, and i think the weapons are cool. the realism of RO allowing us to use some weaponry that we never otherwise would have experienced realistically is awesome and far outweighs any gripes i previously had about the unrealism of them being there. frankly they dont impact gameplay that much. nuff said.

i loved the simplicity of ROOST. just hopping on and shooting. but the leveling they implemented i think they did a good job of putting within a realistic frame and while i thought casual RO was fun, intense RO, struggling for the next level is just as good and makes the players fight that much harder. casual RO is still accessible anyhow.

but i digress. tripwire shouldnt pay that much attention to the forum users IMO anyway. they're working on the game and ignoring whiny crybabies on the forums like they should be doing...
 

Coolicus

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Jan 2, 2008
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coolicus, the concerns you brought up just seem to minuscule to me. im confident that this concern will be taken into account and upgrades will be customizable to allow players who dont want them to remove them within a few updates.

lockdown is not an issue... just play territory. anyone who is concerned about that is just uninformed. if you want classic RO, play territory. i know i do.

as far as weapons. well i personally, even the realism and WWII junkie that i am, love them. it doesn't really make a difference to me. its still RO, and i find it hard to believe that the existance of some not so true to life equipment could actually ruin the game for anyone. i love the realism of RO, and i think the weapons are cool. the realism of RO allowing us to use some weaponry that we never otherwise would have experienced realistically is awesome and far outweighs any gripes i previously had about the unrealism of them being there. frankly they dont impact gameplay that much. nuff said.

i loved the simplicity of ROOST. just hopping on and shooting. but the leveling they implemented i think they did a good job of putting within a realistic frame and while i thought casual RO was fun, intense RO, struggling for the next level is just as good and makes the players fight that much harder. casual RO is still accessible anyhow.

but i digress. tripwire shouldnt pay that much attention to the forum users IMO anyway. they're working on the game and ignoring whiny crybabies on the forums like they should be doing...

You are confusing lockdown for countdown. We all do it because they have names with very similar colloquial meanings.

Countdown is an independent game mode and that is fine and good.

Lockdown is an arbitrary limit that often ends games without giving room for a back and forth battle to develop.

I will have to disagree with you on how the implementation of rare weapons is currently handled being acceptable. When the Mk42b replaces the MP40 for the majority of assault players it is hard for me to enjoy it anymore knowing full well it's highly unlikely there were any Mk42b's in Stalingrad at least in any kind of meaningful numbers. It might not matter to you and that is fine - it's how you feel but I don't think it's an accurate statement to say no one is having the game ruined by the inclusion of this stuff. But like I said soon I'm sure realism servers will be springing up.

I'm not really a big fan of the RPG mechanics that we now have either - particularly I am worried as to where the current horrendous situation leaves us. People have unlocked countless achievements and weapons as a result of bugs. I've got a melee award for shooting someone at a range of over 150 meters with a sniper rifle - I'd like to earn that award for actually doing what is supposed to be required.

Personally I want a stats reset and it seems like a majority of the forum do but joe shmoe who never posts here might like his ultra high end unlock and I can't see TWI taking it away from him because of the backlash - I really hope I'm wrong on this one.
 
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MadTommy

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Unfortunately game forums seem to give a podium for people to act like idiots who can hide behind their anonymity. They somehow think that throwing around insults & accusations is the way to resolve issues. Ignore them, I'm sure TW will.
 
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Briffault

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These same people wouldn't be happy no matter how perfect the game is. I ignore them. They are the typical customer that *****es about nothing simply because they can. Those are the ones to ignore because they feel ENTITLED.

They ARE entitled because they paid money for it. I'd think even the "elite" in these forums would respect the fact that people are angry. Just because they don't huge complex words and witty sentences doesn't mean they have to sit quietly.
 
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Kingkat54

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Seriously, the question comes down to this.

Are you enjoying the game?


If you are, that's all that matters.

If you are not, you will eventually move to another game.

Tripwire is doing just fine.
 
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Rumpullpus

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i havent played TW games for very long (RO1 was the first i played and that was only a few years ago) so i dont really have this "loyalty" many here on the forums seem to have with TW. i mearly see a trend (followed by many companies btw) that TW has shown with RO2 since its release of the beta. and thats away from what RO1 was trying to acomplish (more realism in the WW2 era) and more toward what many MANY other companies like to do (milk a series with arcadish garbage).

maybe thats a little harsh, but from what ive heard TW used to operate and what it used to stand for, i think the company diserves the heat it gets from its former target group (aka realism crowd). they only have themselfs to blame for trying to compete in a overly saturated market of ****ty WW2 shooters instead of doing what made the game so great to begin with (being as realistic as possible without making it boring).
 
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corn holer

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tripwire

tripwire

I personally really appreciate tripwire and am thankfull that we still have devs like that out there. Tripwire rocks!!

And so does RO2. I love this game...
 
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black8888

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niche games never go mainstream and ro2 is a niche game. i remember when rainbow 6 went arcade. it didnt do too well the game flopped because the mainstream wasn't interested in it and they alienated their fanbase. ro2 is between a rock and a hard place. the best thing twi can do is make concessions for the main fanbase or they'll be hammering the nails in their own coffin and there won't be a ro3.

the thing that kept ro1 going is the word of mouth by all the fans that loved it. if the realism crowd abandons ro2 there won't be any word of mouth advertising and revenue will just keep dwindling and there won't be enough interest in ro3 to even bother making it.
 

TheRealGunther

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For their size people are too hard on them and should show more patients with them they arleady released more patches than most huge budget games get in a lifetime.

If I was a rich man id buy all of TWI bently's and set em up in the Playboy mansion.Besides the fact that they are from my native Georgia they are my favorite developers because their not afraid to make unique games.Never change TWI :D

johnhefnerplayboy.jpg
 
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luciferintears

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If i remember correctly werent they proclaiming that RO2 was going to be better than BF3, and how it was gonna be a CoD killer, etc etc (i'm paraphrasing here)

If they want to play with the big boy AAA developers, then they need to be held to their standards...

I'm just saying. This is no longer a niche $10 indie game, where we can over look things like bugs, graphics, and moronic design desicions
 
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TheRealGunther

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If they want to play with the big boy AAA developers, then they need to be held to their standards...

Ok lets do that from one of the biggest names in fps's and the reason I uninstalled it.These have never been fixed and no plans to as they are working on their next big game.TWI supports their games years after release not being pressured by publishers to get out the next big game.And again I'll say has released more patches in a week than most most games get in a lifetime.

All of the battlefields was riddled with glitches at launch and many was never patched.Besides CTDs here is just a few from the fabled Dice.

all game breaking

BFBC2 funny black screen blind guy rant - YouTube

BC2 tips; Infinite Respawn Tickets Glitch - YouTube
I would show some cod glitches never fixed but no one wants to set thru an hours of gameplay showing the glitches
 
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