24/7 Danzig hurting the NA RO community?
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Down with Danzig
24/7 Kriegstadt was converted to wo0t's fun server (it is his server after all).
Chances are when Beta 3 is released we'll roll it back to 24/7 Kriegstadt for a week or two.
Additionally, there is a 54-player Battle of Berlin server (hosted by PzDF), but it is in Europe and hence not the best choice for NA players. It is out there though. Would be nice if AHz made their 50-player server for just the big custom maps, but ultimately nobody's server usage is my business.
Really? I actually have that server on my favorites then.
As for the Battle of Berlin, I don't care if it's in Europe, ping doesn't really ever bother me, I'll have to look that server up though.
As for the AHz server, hopefully someone reads this thread and thinks about it, becasue that server is on my favorites too.
Oh, how could I forget...
Floyd is running a 44-player Kriegstadt server in Dallas, TX. If he comes along I'm sure he can supply the IP, I haven't got it on hand.
Floyd is running a 44-player Kriegstadt server in Dallas, TX. If he comes along I'm sure he can supply the IP, I haven't got it on hand.
There is a 44 player 24/7 Kriegstadt server.
I generally don't have any trouble finding a full or nearly full server playing that has a rotation or map voting. Perhaps its your available play time at night that lacks players. Though I grant you that some nights are just dead and players are few and far between.
Though I've never played on them, imo, many of the reasons that the 24/7 Danzig servers stay full have already been voiced. One reason being a quick "pick up" game. Another might be the "run and gun" attraction. Someone mentioned getting "stuck" with the rifle. If that is a players criteria for having fun, perhaps RO is not for them? (Give me a rifle over an smg any day...but that is just me.)
Just as Danzig is a quick "pick up" game with quick results, keeping a 24/7 Kriegstadt/Berizina/<insert-epic-battlemapname-here> (tank only maps are the exception) server full has the opposite problem. Those maps require a large commitment of time before any gratification is rewarded. I doubt that many want to commit 50 minutes to a 60 minute map only to leave prior to its ending. Nor does joining an epic map with 10 minutes left give the player a feeling of having helped his team out.
If a 24/7 Danzig map keeps people playing RO, then I say let them rock on. I wonder how fast those that play Danzig 24/7 only would leave RO completely if those servers were removed?
Floyd <rhetorically speaking>
I generally don't have any trouble finding a full or nearly full server playing that has a rotation or map voting. Perhaps its your available play time at night that lacks players. Though I grant you that some nights are just dead and players are few and far between.
Though I've never played on them, imo, many of the reasons that the 24/7 Danzig servers stay full have already been voiced. One reason being a quick "pick up" game. Another might be the "run and gun" attraction. Someone mentioned getting "stuck" with the rifle. If that is a players criteria for having fun, perhaps RO is not for them? (Give me a rifle over an smg any day...but that is just me.)
Just as Danzig is a quick "pick up" game with quick results, keeping a 24/7 Kriegstadt/Berizina/<insert-epic-battlemapname-here> (tank only maps are the exception) server full has the opposite problem. Those maps require a large commitment of time before any gratification is rewarded. I doubt that many want to commit 50 minutes to a 60 minute map only to leave prior to its ending. Nor does joining an epic map with 10 minutes left give the player a feeling of having helped his team out.
If a 24/7 Danzig map keeps people playing RO, then I say let them rock on. I wonder how fast those that play Danzig 24/7 only would leave RO completely if those servers were removed?
Floyd <rhetorically speaking>
Join the TK server and they will come!
as soon as I get redirect info from paul, i can upload some more customs ...(that aren't in rotation, but can be voted on).
As the head admin of the RO servers I'll preface what I'm about to say with: I. Do. Not. Play. On. The. Danzig. Server. Ever.
The map is good but I don't like it enough to play it over and over again but the server fills a role. I could care less as to the reason why people like to play the Danzig server, my only concern is that the server gets used. As an admin that is one of my top priorities, no one likes to play on empty servers.
Time and time again this BS surfaces about a map killing RO. Please. I've seen people post here asking what type of setup everyone would like to see and they get a bunch of replies asking for this, that, and the other. Then the server is setup the way it was requested and no one plays the damn thing and it gets dropped or reconfigured.
The cycle is:
1. ***** about *(Danzig, 50 man servers, lack of custom maps servers, etc.).
2. Someone posts asking how the "community" would like a server setup.
3. Server brought online.
4. Server reconfiged or taken offline.
5. Rinse and repeat.
We have a perfectly playable Inf/CA located in Chicago that sporadically fills up but never consistently stays full like the Danzig server. I wonder why?
*Edit*
I will not change the rotation of the server. I don't believe in fixing things that aren't broke. On the flip side, when it's time to make room for CoD4 servers and we have scale back our RO servers I'm pretty sure the Danzig server will be the first on the chopping block. While it may be one of busiest servers, very few of our members even play on it. So you may end up getting your wish with the death of a Danzig server.
With the death of that server, RO will get a sudden jolt of life and all the players that left will flock back to game.
Or, another 24/7 Danzig server will spring up to replace it
The map is good but I don't like it enough to play it over and over again but the server fills a role. I could care less as to the reason why people like to play the Danzig server, my only concern is that the server gets used. As an admin that is one of my top priorities, no one likes to play on empty servers.
Time and time again this BS surfaces about a map killing RO. Please. I've seen people post here asking what type of setup everyone would like to see and they get a bunch of replies asking for this, that, and the other. Then the server is setup the way it was requested and no one plays the damn thing and it gets dropped or reconfigured.
The cycle is:
1. ***** about *(Danzig, 50 man servers, lack of custom maps servers, etc.).
2. Someone posts asking how the "community" would like a server setup.
3. Server brought online.
4. Server reconfiged or taken offline.
5. Rinse and repeat.
We have a perfectly playable Inf/CA located in Chicago that sporadically fills up but never consistently stays full like the Danzig server. I wonder why?
*Edit*
I will not change the rotation of the server. I don't believe in fixing things that aren't broke. On the flip side, when it's time to make room for CoD4 servers and we have scale back our RO servers I'm pretty sure the Danzig server will be the first on the chopping block. While it may be one of busiest servers, very few of our members even play on it. So you may end up getting your wish with the death of a Danzig server.
With the death of that server, RO will get a sudden jolt of life and all the players that left will flock back to game.
Or, another 24/7 Danzig server will spring up to replace it
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I think just less NA players are playing RO in general. I dont think 24/7 danzig servers are too blame but who knows. It's been out for a while now and a lot of very good games have been released recently.
Switch servers. Easy enough. Just don't play on a Danzig server, no matter what.
Seed another server and the others will follow. You can't sit around for just five or ten minutes. Seed a server and stay for an hour, even if it kills you. But others WILL join and after a couple days of this, you might get another box as a regularly filled on. Try it.
The AHz/TWI box needs some rotation attention. We have always left it open to voting but I can look to change the rotation this week and remove a couple maps from rotation like Danzig and limit some others to just one round, like the big a$$ maps.
The problem with many custom maps: three fold 1) poor quality of most; or 2) exponential versions in rapid release; or 3) too many add-on files; and/or all of the above.
Seed another server and the others will follow. You can't sit around for just five or ten minutes. Seed a server and stay for an hour, even if it kills you. But others WILL join and after a couple days of this, you might get another box as a regularly filled on. Try it.
The AHz/TWI box needs some rotation attention. We have always left it open to voting but I can look to change the rotation this week and remove a couple maps from rotation like Danzig and limit some others to just one round, like the big a$$ maps.
The problem with many custom maps: three fold 1) poor quality of most; or 2) exponential versions in rapid release; or 3) too many add-on files; and/or all of the above.
Honestly, while I sympathize with the complaint on a level, it strikes me as a little funny. People seem to play RO with a sense of gluttony. By that I mean they'll play a single map overandoverandoverandoverandover again until they're absolutely filled to the gills and sick of it. Then they'll move on to the next map and run that one into the ground.
I'm not saying that's what posters in this thread have done, but it does strike me as odd that, despite the complaints, the 24/7 servers DO stay populated. I can't fathom why, though. They're often populated with what I consider to be some of the worst/most boring maps. 24/7 Arad? I think I'd rather just not play, thanks.
You want to know what's "killing" the community? The fact that the community itself isn't all that huge. That and the fact that there are a ton of FPS games out there for people to choose from, and more on the way all the time. RO is, like it or not, a niche game. The average FPS player doesn't really dig what RO is about, finds it too slow paced, hates the fact that there's no crosshair, or would rather just stick with their comfort zone in [BF2/FH/BF2142/COD#/etc.].
This results in a relatively small community. It's why, while 50 player servers are a great thing, you don't see all that many of them active. It's why if you fire up the game at 8pm Eastern on a weeknight, you'll see the majority of servers as having only a handful of players on (not including bots, of course), and most players concentrated on a few servers exclusively.
The other reason why people play on the Danzig servers? Because people play on the Danzig servers. Folks go where the bodies are. No one wants to seed a server and sit around for an hour. Not even the admins. So, folks go where they KNOW they can get a good fight immediately. As long as there's at least 10 people who actually enjoy the map/server, others will follow simply because no one wants to "build" a server.
At WolfGaming, we had a hell of a time trying to get our RO servers populated. We ran a Danzig 24/7 server and it was full almost all the time (this was when the map just came out, so no surprise there). At the same time, we had a different server that had a nice rotation, and it lay empty most of the time. People would gladly play on unadminned servers that were FULL of asshats who would TK rampantly (despite server warnings that TKing would be met with punishment....by whom? The non-existent admins?), rather than come to our ACTIVELY adminned server. I even monitored the server using the remote admin from work a few times. It didn't matter.
Why? Because people go where the bodies are. The sad part is that you can have a server that starts getting full for a while and becomes the "default" server for a lot of people. BUT if you have even one or two nights of low activity or technical difficulties, the players will simply move to another server and THAT will become the "default" server.
There are few enough players in RO that the will of "the mob" will dictate where gameplay is to be found. Once "the mob" gets comfortable with a few servers, that's where the action is until, say, a free weekend or a holiday weekend, or major technical difficulties hit and people start looking elsewhere.
I'm not saying that's what posters in this thread have done, but it does strike me as odd that, despite the complaints, the 24/7 servers DO stay populated. I can't fathom why, though. They're often populated with what I consider to be some of the worst/most boring maps. 24/7 Arad? I think I'd rather just not play, thanks.
You want to know what's "killing" the community? The fact that the community itself isn't all that huge. That and the fact that there are a ton of FPS games out there for people to choose from, and more on the way all the time. RO is, like it or not, a niche game. The average FPS player doesn't really dig what RO is about, finds it too slow paced, hates the fact that there's no crosshair, or would rather just stick with their comfort zone in [BF2/FH/BF2142/COD#/etc.].
This results in a relatively small community. It's why, while 50 player servers are a great thing, you don't see all that many of them active. It's why if you fire up the game at 8pm Eastern on a weeknight, you'll see the majority of servers as having only a handful of players on (not including bots, of course), and most players concentrated on a few servers exclusively.
The other reason why people play on the Danzig servers? Because people play on the Danzig servers. Folks go where the bodies are. No one wants to seed a server and sit around for an hour. Not even the admins. So, folks go where they KNOW they can get a good fight immediately. As long as there's at least 10 people who actually enjoy the map/server, others will follow simply because no one wants to "build" a server.
At WolfGaming, we had a hell of a time trying to get our RO servers populated. We ran a Danzig 24/7 server and it was full almost all the time (this was when the map just came out, so no surprise there). At the same time, we had a different server that had a nice rotation, and it lay empty most of the time. People would gladly play on unadminned servers that were FULL of asshats who would TK rampantly (despite server warnings that TKing would be met with punishment....by whom? The non-existent admins?), rather than come to our ACTIVELY adminned server. I even monitored the server using the remote admin from work a few times. It didn't matter.
Why? Because people go where the bodies are. The sad part is that you can have a server that starts getting full for a while and becomes the "default" server for a lot of people. BUT if you have even one or two nights of low activity or technical difficulties, the players will simply move to another server and THAT will become the "default" server.
There are few enough players in RO that the will of "the mob" will dictate where gameplay is to be found. Once "the mob" gets comfortable with a few servers, that's where the action is until, say, a free weekend or a holiday weekend, or major technical difficulties hit and people start looking elsewhere.
Join the TK server and they will come!
Still trying to get Sparta on it. But yah TK has had a map vote list that has been open for new maps/complaints since CiA/CoR (and I'm still mad we kept dumping Barashka). If we could get more people on the server would be more than a drunken RO FullMJ-BR fest.
I don't think it's "hurting" the RO community perse, but I definitely think Danzig is overrated (or at least overplayed).
That "Ranzig" server is NA righ? Well, I have the feeling most of the RO community is European so maybe that's why?
That "Ranzig" server is NA righ? Well, I have the feeling most of the RO community is European so maybe that's why?
^ agreed solo.
Ive thought Ro numbers have been dwindling for a quite a while anyway.
Many of the peeps who would like to see more variety and interesting maps are too busy to play cos they're making them. When new maps get released i usually dload them and check em over in the ed -and I fear the hard work im looking at may be wasted to some extent- cos judging by what I see on the servers they wont get the playtime they deserve.
However, if you lose the 24hr danzigs will many of these guys try other maps or another game? Surely if they're populated all the time they are the backbone of the game weather we like it or not. Most ppl knock out elaborate CA maps, often with new features, but phaps we need more Danzigs, that is instant action, small tight inf only maps that don't try to do too much , but do what they do perfectly. I thought Tcherkassy was strong for this reason- brilliant map. However I doubt this gets the playtime it deserves either.
If danzig is a problem, then I recon mix 2 guest maps in the rotation with them, swapping every week or so. You know, kessel, krasny and the like- nothing to adventurous. These ppl will need gentle weening away.
Ive thought Ro numbers have been dwindling for a quite a while anyway.
Many of the peeps who would like to see more variety and interesting maps are too busy to play cos they're making them. When new maps get released i usually dload them and check em over in the ed -and I fear the hard work im looking at may be wasted to some extent- cos judging by what I see on the servers they wont get the playtime they deserve.
However, if you lose the 24hr danzigs will many of these guys try other maps or another game? Surely if they're populated all the time they are the backbone of the game weather we like it or not. Most ppl knock out elaborate CA maps, often with new features, but phaps we need more Danzigs, that is instant action, small tight inf only maps that don't try to do too much , but do what they do perfectly. I thought Tcherkassy was strong for this reason- brilliant map. However I doubt this gets the playtime it deserves either.
If danzig is a problem, then I recon mix 2 guest maps in the rotation with them, swapping every week or so. You know, kessel, krasny and the like- nothing to adventurous. These ppl will need gentle weening away.
We tried doing that on our servers for a while. The server stayed populated for a bit, but then something came up like two or three nights when we couldn't seed the server and everyone ended up back on other servers.
The problem is simply too many servers and too few people. No one wants to seed a server. It's boring. They go where the bodies are. At one point, a 24/7 Danzig server had bodies because people wanted to play that map. Now it probably has bodies mostly because of inertia.
The problem is simply too many servers and too few people. No one wants to seed a server. It's boring. They go where the bodies are. At one point, a 24/7 Danzig server had bodies because people wanted to play that map. Now it probably has bodies mostly because of inertia.
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If I want to play RO and the only good ping / full servers are playing Danzig or Arad I just go back to modding.
In mods we trust.
In mods we trust.
Haha, you didn't get the DBZ reference (no, I'm do not watching that crap, but I've been to no forum with a community board where that scene wasn't posted via a link to youtube...).
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I don't like 24/7 servers either. However there is a server that is running a custommap and only changes it once every day. I like that one. Had some great rounds on BeachAssault there.
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I don't like 24/7 servers either. However there is a server that is running a custommap and only changes it once every day. I like that one. Had some great rounds on BeachAssault there.
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Completely senseless discussion!
Danzig is a great map and i always enjoy playing it whenever i like on the 24/7 servers.
Nobody forces u to play there and there are many others who love that map.
This forum is starting to be anoying.
Something huge must happen soon!
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Completely senseless discussion!
Danzig is a great map and i always enjoy playing it whenever i like on the 24/7 servers.
Nobody forces u to play there and there are many others who love that map.
This forum is starting to be anoying.
Something huge must happen soon!
