Funny, since relatively few people online actually abuse this, or at least effectively. The m14 is much more effectively abused online
But they do have potential for fad-dage
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Any Berserkers, Firebugs, or Demolitions here?
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Funny, since relatively few people online actually abuse this, or at least effectively. The m14 is much more effectively abused online
But they do have potential for fad-dage
Oh man. Pretty soon there will be a thread every day blabbering on about how the katana and xbow are SO overpowered.
It's the m14 phase of this forum all over again.
It's the m14 phase of this forum all over again.
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I agree with Medic being fine and balanced, but I would also think the Commando is as well. Hell, imo Support Specialist is stronger then Commando, with Sharpie being stronger then both.
Though imo only Sharpie really deserves a nerf, and Firebug/Berserker/Demo just deserve buffs instead (and new weapon for Firebug of course).
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Funny, since relatively few people online actually abuse this, or at least effectively. The m14 is much more effectively abused online
But they do have potential for fad-dage
Leave the katana alone.
It got a kindasortanerf already.
And the medic is just versatile, not "OP".
Leave them alone!
The last thing I want to see in the new patch is a slow, squishy medic, a now nearly useless commando or a katana that now requires doubleclicks for each slash just because some people needed something new to whine over.
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lol. chris crocker joke is funneh.Leave the katana alone.
It got a kindasortanerf already.
And the medic is just versatile, not "OP".
Leave them alone!
The last thing I want to see in the new patch is a slow, squishy medic, a now nearly useless commando or a katana that now requires doubleclicks for each slash just because some people needed something new to whine over.
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@Undedd:
L4D tries to force you to play with your team through 'cheat' methods such as immobilizing you and letting you die if nobody else is around. Killing Floor simply rewards you for working together. What does this have to do with anything?
You're not even arguing against or talking about any of the points I have made. You blatantly disregard them in what I'm not sure is an intentional strawman argument or not. In fact, it seems like you're arguing for my position at some points.
Example. "Are you gonna tell me that the Firebug is overpowered because I took on 150 specimens single handed without taking a point of damage?" HMM, FAMILIAR. VEEEERY FAMILIAR.
Ahhh, that's where I know it from.
And again, what is this supposed to be for? I just said that medic recieved a nerf to his speed, and you confirm it. Okay? You're even more right than I am?
Firebug needs a new weapon, the katana is really only good in the hands of a non-zerker on hard/normal(IMO), crossbow should be more expensive, nerfed, and/or made useful only for the sharpshooter. I think most people here are in agreement.
L4D tries to force you to play with your team through 'cheat' methods such as immobilizing you and letting you die if nobody else is around. Killing Floor simply rewards you for working together. What does this have to do with anything?
You're not even arguing against or talking about any of the points I have made. You blatantly disregard them in what I'm not sure is an intentional strawman argument or not. In fact, it seems like you're arguing for my position at some points.
Example. "Are you gonna tell me that the Firebug is overpowered because I took on 150 specimens single handed without taking a point of damage?" HMM, FAMILIAR. VEEEERY FAMILIAR.
Ahhh, that's where I know it from.
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And again, what is this supposed to be for? I just said that medic recieved a nerf to his speed, and you confirm it. Okay? You're even more right than I am?
Firebug needs a new weapon, the katana is really only good in the hands of a non-zerker on hard/normal(IMO), crossbow should be more expensive, nerfed, and/or made useful only for the sharpshooter. I think most people here are in agreement.
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Haha, sorry but Commando saves lives
If anything, Demo is useless since it blocks everyones view of whats going on, and can potentially end up killing themselves, OR rage a FP on accident cuz they are firing blindly into a mass of smoke and zombies.
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Commando along with support is pretty much your bread and butter perk that you pick if you can't decide what to play as.
It's never wrong to have those on your team.
Can't say the same about firebugs, demos and zerkers.
The latter is pretty much a solo perk while the former ones are very specialized on doing one thing and one thing only.
It's never wrong to have those on your team.
Can't say the same about firebugs, demos and zerkers.
The latter is pretty much a solo perk while the former ones are very specialized on doing one thing and one thing only.
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I noticed someone mentioned berserker being weak for rambo style? seriously? lol I consider berserker a perk that I can rambo even on suicidal. ON hard I can rambo it even with just LAW. I know people consider medic to be easy to rambo with but as berserker u have crazy damage resistance and u cant be grabbed by clots(medics can).
Sure berserker takes a bit of skill and knowing map is important if u gonna play rambo on the move style.
Sure berserker takes a bit of skill and knowing map is important if u gonna play rambo on the move style.
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@ Lewt - Okay, I'll strip my argument down to its key overall point.
The Medic is not overpowered, and doesn't need a nerf. That was the argument.
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To sum up my arguments into a few words, Medic and Firebug are my 2 top classes, and I find survivng as a Firebug a hell of a lot easier than Medic. Only thing I think the Firebug needs is a lower tier weapon to help low level firebugs get started on kills. Otherwise, he is fine.
Changes I see needing doing: -
- Xbow nerfing for all classes
- M14 ammo at least halved
- Sharpshooter nerf (but considerable thought put into the Xbow + M14 nerf)
- Katana nerfing for non Berserkers (I say make all weapons swing slower normally and make the Berserkers melee speed bonus even faster accordingly)
- Chainsaw headshot multiplyer fixing to 1.0
- Firebug lower tier weapon (Although if a higher one is added, as long as it isn't uber powerful, I'll not mind)
- Pipe Bomb limit introduced
The Medic is not overpowered, and doesn't need a nerf. That was the argument.
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To sum up my arguments into a few words, Medic and Firebug are my 2 top classes, and I find survivng as a Firebug a hell of a lot easier than Medic. Only thing I think the Firebug needs is a lower tier weapon to help low level firebugs get started on kills. Otherwise, he is fine.
Changes I see needing doing: -
- Xbow nerfing for all classes
- M14 ammo at least halved
- Sharpshooter nerf (but considerable thought put into the Xbow + M14 nerf)
- Katana nerfing for non Berserkers (I say make all weapons swing slower normally and make the Berserkers melee speed bonus even faster accordingly)
- Chainsaw headshot multiplyer fixing to 1.0
- Firebug lower tier weapon (Although if a higher one is added, as long as it isn't uber powerful, I'll not mind)
- Pipe Bomb limit introduced
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Bit of a complicated thing about the firebug. It's definitely a one trick pony in the sense I'd much rather have a full flamethrower to deal with a horde at close range, but the commando is so much more versatile, and doesn't sacrifice much.
Honestly I don't think any perk -should- be able to rambo the hardest difficulty with 5 dead players, as I said earlier. "Fixing" this would either mean another difficulty to make it harder, or waay more rebalancing than has been called for, with all the perks. Obviously a lot (most?) people don't agree with this.
Medic.. meh. The bonuses seem geared to
A: Reaching teammates and healing them quickly + effectively, with the armor allowing them to take risks to do so, AND
B: Kiting specimens easily and escaping situations that would otherwise mean death for a majority of players, then healing themselves afterwards.
If there were some way to make them only accomplish A, I'd be much happier with it.
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ARGH! The red text! It blinds me! Had to highlight it to read it. =/
I think making the syringe count as melee movement speed would greatly help syringe medics such as myself. As i can't hit moving teammates to save my life. =/
I think making the syringe count as melee movement speed would greatly help syringe medics such as myself. As i can't hit moving teammates to save my life. =/
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Yeah did seem a little odd to me that the syringe is so much slower than the knife and katana given that medics are supposed to be encouraged to heal. I think being slowed down while you heal yourself is fair, cause lets face it you've got to stop and find a vain to inject yourself in the arm.
And anyone who is a little confused he means can't hit a moving target with the Mp7M... I only mention cause I double took for a minute
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Have you been around pre-patch when healing has pretty much been a gamble due to messed up syringe hit detection that requires you to be as close to the target as possible as soon as it "hits"?
THAT was when you really can't heal moving teammates to save your life.
It's easy now, if the animation plays, you're healing.
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I don't think that's very realistic. I never try to take on FP's using only katana/axe. It just requires too much space and time.
1. xbow headshot
2. Weld door between you two while he rages
3. When he destroys door, his rage timer resets
4. 2 head shots to kill (kata if you miss)
Works especially well if he's in the back of a huge group. He'll rage kill everything between you two, then fizzle out once he kicks the door over. Two quick head shots and a terrifying situation just became a cake walk.
1. xbow headshot
2. Weld door between you two while he rages
3. When he destroys door, his rage timer resets
4. 2 head shots to kill (kata if you miss)
Works especially well if he's in the back of a huge group. He'll rage kill everything between you two, then fizzle out once he kicks the door over. Two quick head shots and a terrifying situation just became a cake walk.
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