If I use a custom mutator, such as multi jump, I don't get any of my perks. Does this do any peranent damage to my perks? Also, i guess the same could be said for non-whitelisted maps.
Custom mutators...
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i agree they should just make you unable to level your perks. not play without them completely. nobody wants to play without perks so these muts are useless.
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Yea, jumping all the way up to the wall in westlondon just to findout that you're surrounded by crawler and stalker.
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eh, but that's something you do once and then it gets boring. it's not like that would be used in regular gameplay on a server with lots of traffic. at least, if it isn't whitelisted.
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Honestly, we too want non-White Listed mutators to at least allow Perks to be loaded, but due to the design of the scripting system in Unreal, this is a big security risk. If we allowed that, someone could actually design a mutator for a server that instantly gave everyone full Perks and it would actually properly get sent off to Steam and stored permanently. The only way to fully stop that possibility is to not allow the Perks to even load.
Trust me, we have looked at every possibility to allow this, but the lack of security in the scripting system has forced us to simply not allow non-White Listed mutators to touch the Perks at all. It really kills us that there is no secure way to allow this guys, we love mutators too =/
Trust me, we have looked at every possibility to allow this, but the lack of security in the scripting system has forced us to simply not allow non-White Listed mutators to touch the Perks at all. It really kills us that there is no secure way to allow this guys, we love mutators too =/
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I think I understand what happens. When there's any altered content (which includes non-whitelisted mutators), the Steam security check fails and it won't let you access stats and achievements. Am I right?
It'd be nice if at least perks could be downloaded to a file every time access is possible, and then loaded from this file when it's not possible.
It'd be nice if at least perks could be downloaded to a file every time access is possible, and then loaded from this file when it's not possible.
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You mean like a local copy of your profile? That might work, but then again, correct me if I am wrong here but someone could just edit the local file to give you full perks and the scripting system reads the file and sends the tampered data off to the perk server. So it is not secure that way either.
I think we need a perk replacement mutator that will never be whitelisted?
This could be used to allow players to set their perk level to whatever they want if they just want to fool around and play with their perks. If someone set it to 5 even if they weren't then that is their problem.
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It is easy enough to pull the network cable for a moment and plug it back in, so I am not sure this would be safe.
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Maybe I should elaborate. 
The data stored in the file would only be used when perks cannot be accessed normally, and this data will never be transferred back to the server, only from it. So for example you could probably edit the file and use whichever perks you wanted offline (TWI could encrypt it to make it harder if necessary), but this data would never be transferred to the stats server, in fact it would be overwritten upon contact with the server again.
The data stored in the file would only be used when perks cannot be accessed normally, and this data will never be transferred back to the server, only from it. So for example you could probably edit the file and use whichever perks you wanted offline (TWI could encrypt it to make it harder if necessary), but this data would never be transferred to the stats server, in fact it would be overwritten upon contact with the server again.
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Maybe I should elaborate.
The data stored in the file would only be used when perks cannot be accessed normally, and this data will never be transferred back to the server, only from it. So for example you could probably edit the file and use whichever perks you wanted offline (TWI could encrypt it to make it harder if necessary), but this data would never be transferred to the stats server, in fact it would be overwritten upon contact with the server again.
That might work, now we probably should wait for input from TWI.
But the discussion was about custom mutators that might tamper with the perks. I am sure they have considered this option too but I have a feeling there could be some security issues which might make this unfeasible.
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I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Of course, the idea isn't perfect - if you level your perks from another machine, when playing on your main machine with custom mutators you'll be running on the old version of the perks unless you first play without the custom mutators - but it's better than nothing.
Of course, the idea isn't perfect - if you level your perks from another machine, when playing on your main machine with custom mutators you'll be running on the old version of the perks unless you first play without the custom mutators - but it's better than nothing.
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pretty sure it wouldn't be obvious when they were being updated.
plus if you edit a local file, it will just be written over again the next time it updates from the server.
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