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Ordered All quiet on the Western Front

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So i ordered the book All quiet on the Western Front last night.
Since it's a pretty famous book, i wondered if any of you guys have read it, and what your thoughts are about it?
Any thing quotable that springs to mind, wich stood out to you?

I've been intrigued by this kind of books, a story about frontline-life, something wich brings the war so much closer then any history book could ever do.
Sure, a history book could tell you that the soldiers lived in trenches for example, but a story set in that place and time could really flesh out to people what it really means having to live in such trenches etc.

I've been looking around internet a bit for quotes allready, and i found some that really spoke to me, both in what they say, and how they are said.
I cannot describe the way i feel of 'how' they are said, but i guess it's pretty much everything about feelings is a statement, as if it doesnt mean a thing.
Yet it does, very much to the guy who feels it, but it gets lost in the bigger picture of the war.
It makes you feel the helplessness of such soldiers, their 'unimportance' and that they are a small cog in the big machine of war.
These are a few examples of what i really 'liked' (like doesnt sound like the proper word though, cause of the heavyness of the quotations):

"We were eighteen and had begun to love life and the world; and we had to shoot it to pieces. The first bomb, the first explosion, burst in our hearts. We are cut off from activity, from striving, from progress. We believe in such things no longer, we believe in the war."

"Let the months and years come, they can take nothing from me, they can take nothing more. I am so alone, and so without hope that I can confront them without fear. The life that has borne me through these years is still in my hands and my eyes. Whether I have subdued it, I know not. But so long as it is there it will seek its own way out, heedless of the will that is within me."

"I am young, I am twenty years old; yet I know nothing of life but despair, death, fear, and fatuous superficiality cast over an abyss of sorrow. I see how peoples are set against one another, and in silence], unknowingly, foolishly, obediently, innocently slay one another."

"Yes, that's the way they think, these hundred thousand Kantoreks! Iron Youth! Youth! We are none of us more than twenty years old. But young? That is long ago. We are old folk."
(Kantorek seems to be the name of the head of school)


Also i've seen the remake of the original movie, based on the book. (1980 version)
Still wanting to see the original movie, as i've heard that while the remake is good, it's still nothing compared to the 1930's version.
So, thoughts, opinions? :)
 
The book is great. Imo it was forbidden during the third reich period in germany and other countrys ( 1929 in Italy, 1931 in Austria, 1933 in Germany and 1949 in SovietRussia ) Nevertheless we read it in school and i read it like 2-3 times after that. If you can...try to get a hand on the movie too. Its old but done very well. ( even get an Oscar for the best movie in 1930 imo ) Also its hard to obtain a uncutted version since it gets its fair shair of "censorship" during periods of political unsteadyness. Mhhh...i dont even know the 1980s film tbh...

Quoteing gets hard for me here because iam german and thus readed the german version.
 
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The original version is available on torrents, I downloaded it a few months ago. I don't know if the film is in the public domain by now or not.

I personally didn't really like the original version. Yeah yeah yeah, shoot me, whatever. :D But the acting was just too cheesy and overdone for me. I know it was one of the best films when it was released during that time, but today's acting standards are much higher (though still often rather low). The battle scene was pretty good though. I think I'd like the 80's remake better.

Haven't read the book yet, will do sometime.
 
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Yeah, that's true about the older movies, you can not only see it in picture quality but also the acting is different from what we are used to today.
I watched the battle-scene on youtube, but to me that one does seem a bit more 'powerful' then the remake's version. Meaning, the bayonet fighting seems a lot fiercer and more brutal.
Though, i could take the acting for granted if they really set a good atmosphere :)
 
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"The wisest were just the poor and simple people. They knew the war to be a misfortune, whereas those who were better off, and should have been able to see more clearly what the consequences would be, were beside themselves with joy. Katczinsky said that was a result of their upbringing. It made them stupid. And what Kat said, he had thought about."

Great book, both movies were excellent imo!
 
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Erich Maria Remarque said:
"'But now, for the first time, I see you are a man like me. I thought of your hand-grenades, of your bayonet, of your rifle; now I see your wife and your face and our fellowship. Forgive me, comrade. We always see it too late. Why do they never tell us that you are poor devils like us, that your mothers are just as anxious as ours, and that we have the same fear of death, and the same dying and the same agony--Forgive me, comrade; how could you be my enemy?'"

That quote is the most famous one from the book, maybe.

IMO, I like the 1930s version All Quiet. The 1980s version is still good but the tone of the 1930s film to me gets the point of it across better.
 
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The 80's remake (the one with Ian Holm, right?) isn't acted that well either. Both films suffer greatly from this.

The book is pretty hard hitting. I wouldn't want to read it again. Everything is told as if it was perfectly normal but what is told absolutely isn't. Like when they have to beat a soldier down so he doesn't run out of the trench like some did before because they get "trench-fear" (don't know the English word) and just want to get out, not caring about enemy machine gun fire anymore. Horrific, to say the least. But its told like every-day-business. It probably was, but it makes it appear even harsher.

I'd say its well worth a read, but be prepared to be shocked.
 
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One of the greatest anti-war books ever written.
Dont go looking for quotes firsts, so you dont spoil it, read it first. Oh and look in my sig btw :)

It shouldnt matter if you read it in dutch, as german is the original language, it's all in the quality of the translation, not what language it is in.

The book pretty gruesome in parts, but I think the strongest part for me is where he comes back to his hometown, meets his familiy again, and reminisces about his childhood. They are having a hard time there because of the war, not enough food rations.

And the old bastards he meet are all patriotic and talk about how 'glorious' it must be for him to fight for his fatherland and discuss grand strategy like they somehow have become experts on warfare... when they probably haven't fought themselves.
 
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Dont make the mistake and judge the movie from today standarts it can only fail.

The "Overacting" is what all movies do from the timeperiod given.

People nowadays tend to judge stuff from the past with regulations and boundaries that where either not present or diffrent by that times.

*off topic* I want a movie about a panzer commander or panzergrenadier...a good one...:D shouldent be that hard with all the reenactment and cgi stuff that is available at present...as long as its not "Kingtigers in El-Alamain" :rolleyes:
 
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Epic, there you go :D

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The 80's remake (the one with Ian Holm, right?) isn't acted that well either. Both films suffer greatly from this.

The book is pretty hard hitting. I wouldn't want to read it again. Everything is told as if it was perfectly normal but what is told absolutely isn't. Like when they have to beat a soldier down so he doesn't run out of the trench like some did before because they get "trench-fear" (don't know the English word) and just want to get out, not caring about enemy machine gun fire anymore. Horrific, to say the least. But its told like every-day-business. It probably was, but it makes it appear even harsher.

I'd say its well worth a read, but be prepared to be shocked.

That's exactly what i expect, and it's what i've been looking for.
For some reason i've allways been immensely fascinated by human suffering, i wouldnt know why.
The psyche of what the soldiers must feel when they are there, having to do the things they have to do, and how they put that in perspective with themselves, is what interests me the most, whereas a lot of people just think about the battles etc.
Like, xxxx amount of people killed, and ofcourse that counts very much, but i like to go deeper then that.

You described probably the best what i was going for in my earlier statement, of how things are told.
It's exactly that harshness that makes it so good, imo. I will love it for that.

Also @Kettch, cool pics :)
Really like them, i ordered a hardcovered book as well, wich has some crude pictures on it but it looks old too. Probably isnt, but the feel is there.
I'm jealous of your copy :eek:
Basically i had the choice to get a paperback version in 2 or 3 days, or get a hardcover version in 2 or 3 weeks. But i like the older-looking hardcover much better, since it makes it feel even more authentic in a way.:)
 
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"The wisest were just the poor and simple people. They knew the war to be a misfortune, whereas those who were better off, and should have been able to see more clearly what the consequences would be, were beside themselves with joy. Katczinsky said that was a result of their upbringing. It made them stupid. And what Kat said, he had thought about."

Great book, both movies were excellent imo!

That's one of my favourist quotes of this book (read it in German)!
I think it really sums up the situation that "was" (at least what I think) back then.

We learned in school that people cheared when they heard there would be a war.
Well years after I read in a book that this actually wasn't the case.
Those people cheering were mostly students who thought of the war as an adventure, while the "ordinary" people who actually had quite a lot responsibilty (feeding their families) generally did not welcome the war. The author quoted some letters and diary entries saying that there were a lot of people breaking out in tears and a lot of desperation.

I guess I would have chosen that quote as well. :)
 
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Be sure to read the sequel to All QuietOTWF Remarque wrote called Der Weg Zuruck, the title translated into English as The Road Back.

It also follows a character whose name is also Paul from the same unit, but obviously not the same Paul in All Quiet On The Western Front (but he is sort of the spiritual successor character to the first Paul).

There is a very interesting chapter early in the sequel where everyone who survived the war has to go back to school, since the German students were only given permission to suspend their studies.

It has been so long I forget the rest of the book, except for a few parts, so I don't remember what happened, but I remember enjoying reading it; there is even a third book called Three Comrades, which I have never read.

(Remarque's novels, except for All Quiet are difficult to find in the U.S.; you'd have to go to a good used book store or buy them online).



Some of Remarque's other novels I've read:

Flotsam and Jetsam: The story of a young Jewish peddler and his student sister in Pre-WWII Vienna and their experiences of anti-
Semitic persecution; this was a very moving and interesting novel, as well-written as the WWI novels.

Arch of Triumph: Story about some refugee Doctor in Paris who fled National Socialsit Germany and now lives a Bohemian existence with other refugees, including a former Tsarist Russian Army officer.

An enjoyable novel, but more of a soppy love story / romance; it was made into a Hollywood film during WWII I believe, and later the Welsh actor Anthony Hopkins starred in a remake (in color). It was a still an enjoyable read though, but I don't think it was as good as the WWI novels.

But the novel did really draw a lot of attention to Europe's refugees who fled National Socialist Germany and Communist Russia and told about their plight.



A Time To Love, And A Time To Die: Never read this one, but moving U.S. made motion picture (made in the late 1950's {?} in color) about the story of a war weary WWII German soldier who returns to his hometown in Germany while on leave from the Eastern Front towards the end of WWII.

I think he wrote a few more.




See, before the internet and video games that lasted 13 hours each, people read books!!! (well, some of them did, any rate:D)




Which brings up a question (since we are discussing authors) about a modern European author whom I don't know if anyone is familiar with; He is young, probably age betwwen the ages of 30-45, maybe either Dutch (I heard about him on the English language edition of Radio Netherlands' Current Affairs) or an American living in Europe, who has written a fictional novel about WWII and recently won some sort of prestigious European Literary Prize. He made an often quoted famous statement about himself, saying "I am World War II." I forget the man's name. Is anyone familiar with him?? What is his name??? If you've read his novels, what do you think of his writings?? (don't mean to take over the thread but I just wanted to ask).
 
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Kettch, my German sucks ***. Would you mind translating the text of the third picture for me?

I wasn't able to translate most of it, but here's the excerpt from my English version (loved this book):

This book is to be neither an accusation nor a confession, and least of all an adventure, for death is not an adventure to those who stand face to face with it. It will try simply to tell of a generation of men who, even though they may have escaped shells, were destroyed by the war

*eyes the German* Hmm...not sure how that translated into that much.

Edit: Kettch's doesn't say the "and least of all an adventure...who stand face to face with it" in it.
 
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