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Okay. This all sounds very strange but bear with me, please. :(

I remember a few years back I was on a realism mod forums and I saw this neat post about some odd way to wield pistols that were (supposedly) used by Russian special forces called "Macedonian Style".

This involved holding two pistols (wait, don't try to lynch me yet), and linking the thumbs of both hands together. Both pistols are set parallel to each other and the right pistol's iron sights is used for aiming. The idea is that such a configuration would dampen recoil of the guns, and allow for more bullets to be used.

I have seen pictures of it in practice, but I haven't been able to find any websites about it since the thread disappeared, because they were all in Russian or Cryllic (and babelfish sucks). If anyone can find anything on this, I will be very grateful to you, because it's so hopelessly interesting :eek:
 
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"A possible example of actual use of two guns firing at the same time is "Macedonian Shooting", practiced by Russian special forces.[1] This also evolved as a method of increasing rate of fire, more in order to force the enemy to take cover than to try to accurately hit them, and was generally practiced by NKVD officers issued a pair of revolvers. However, the invention of smaller, cheaper submachineguns around the 1950s rendered the tactic largely obsolete and it fell into relative obscurity." -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_wield
 
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Combat conception of simultaneous fire from two guns in both hands had appeared in 1870ies. It was a result of inventions of 5-6 semi-automatic revolvers Smith and Wesson, which were used as a weapon for policemen, jandarms and other special services of that time. Introduction of a new fast weapon and its better characterictics immediately resulted on appearance of new tactics of firing, and changes in combat tactics.
Now nobody remembers, why it’s called “Macedonian shooting”, but this combat method, which allows to greatly improve firing power of particular shooter on short distances of operative combat contact, was very successful. Such successful, that even today various special forces of the globe practice this method.
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Shooting method from one gun with 2 hands holding it in a “triangle” was quite old. When semi-automatic guns were introduced, shooters received a chance to take a second revolver with free hand, put their hands tight to each other and deliver an avalanche of lead from both guns. This simple tactic had made a revolution in combat-operative practice.

To improve the results, thumbs are holding tight to each other (photo 2).
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It’s called a Macedonian grip. Weapon is oriented to target with its barrels parallel to each other (photo 3).
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This way a classical modern shooting triangle is being made, but now with two guns. You can shoot Macedonian style from both guns at the same time, or you can shoot in a sequence. Good sides of this style is that a shooting will be a far more faster and with better results, even if you shoot with only one gun. The reasons for this is: 1) you hold your weapon with 2 hands 2) Additional mass of the second gun results in a smaller recoil.

Although one can try to aim with 2 eyes at two different targets (some can have good results), it’s better if one will be aiming only one gun, while the other will be held parallel to it. In old times that’s how they were trained: they aimed with one gun, and shoot with other.
To improve your results, aim with your left pistol, and shoot with your right. (this is because if a person is right-handed, his right palm has a better coordination)
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(…) two guns are pointed inslightly other directions. This was used to “instantly turn off legs/arms” – if the target was needed alive. This way (photo 4) two bullets hit the target in both shoulders, both arms higher than elbows or both legs higher than ankles. Worth noticing, that if a shooter missed with one buller, the second one had hit the target nevertheless.
When shooting at moving target with Macedonian style, shooter had to stay in position shown at photo 5. This is more easier to “escort” the running target. Also from this position one can strafe easier.
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But in a fire contact one can’t stand still for a long time, if he doesn’t want to be killed. If a shooter is moving parallel to his target, with the same speed and the same direction, the technique of firing will be the same as a firing with smg on the move.
(…) But you will have to maneuver. It will be better if one will be running to different directions with your target and you will be moving to the left. In this case scheme of your footprints will look like as it shown in 1 scheme – you will be constantly moving to target’s back, he will have to turn to his right – this will make a discomfort for him.
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To make things faster and better, put your left leg from target’s side to the left, and move your right leg after it – behind the left leg and also the back of your foot looking at left direction.
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If you run parallel to your target, let him run faster than you. (…) to reduce recoil, shoot before your leg has touched the ground

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Very interesting. As my username implies, firearms are a hobby of mine, yet I have never heard of this. Thank you for posting.

Though, Bolt, if I may be an **** little prick, Smith and Wesson never made a semi-automatic revolver. The only semi-automatic revolvers that I'm aware of were the Webley-Fosbery and the more recent Mateba Auto-Revolver.

Edit: According to Wikipedia, in the late 19th Century, top-break ejecting revolvers like the period S&Ws and Webleys were called "automatic" at the time, though it is not automatic or semi-automatic by modern or early-20th Century definition.

P.S: Really? The word "A n a l" is autocensored?
 
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