Gernade suggestions

[Murphy]

I'd like to have grenades with a bigger blast radius and they should generally be more lethal. Sometimes I'm standing right next to one when it goes off but I remain unharmed.
Maybe the radius is fine but the chance you are hurt is too small. I don't know and I don't have the time to test it, but my request is still: Make the grenades be more lethal in a bigger radius.

Add random fuses so that grenades can't be timed exactly so you cook them just long enough so they go off as soon as they are over an enemy. If the fuses were random that wouldn't be possible and grenades would have to be used more carefully = thrown sooner.
The fuses should have a regular chance to last somewhere between 3-5 seconds (just figures. Use realisicc values here) with the occasional super-bad-luck that they go off after a second or only after 7 seconds.
Cooking them longer than 3 seconds should be very dangerous and cooking them at all should be slightly dangerous too.
You would have to throw your grenades sooner to be safe from them so
enemies would have more time to escape from it (most of the time) if they see it coming and thereby the bigger lethality radius wouldn't break the gameplay - only change it to something more exciting.
Random fuses have been mentioned often before, but I don't think we had them in a suggestions-thread yet.

 

[Monkwarrior]

Well you'r around long enough to know about the huge discussions about the lethalness of nades (nadespam etc etc etc). So I'm guessing not many players will agree with you, me being one of them.
Random fuses: yes please, but I thought there are random fuses allready.......

Monk.

 

[Murphy]

People always seemed to have a problem with nadespam but it was only a matter of anoyance on some maps such as warshaw back in the mod days. The bigger radius coupled with perfectly timeable grenades and small corridors through which people HAD to go to get to the objectives made that map a spamfest.
The maps in the game are much more open (even city maps. Compare warshaw or Koitos with Oddessa or K

 

[Atomskytten]

What is the current bllast radius for grenades in RO? - If I recall correctly most real life grenades has a blast radius of about 5 meters or a lethal zone of 10 meters, that is the radius/lethal zone in which 50% of the soldiers will become casualties ( lying in some sort of cover or standing up in a open area or in terrain with lots of loose rocks etc. will of course affect the casualty rate) and by game experience I would gestimate that the in game grenade lethal zone is about 5 meters and somewhat less or more depending on the nature of the players amount of cover.

So by comparing in game grenade effectiveness with real life effectiveness I am not sure that a larger lethal zone is required?

 

[kapulA]

Number 1.

 

[|9.SS|Kriechbaum]

I know what you mean about not being killed by grenades that are close to you.

Correct me if im wrong but werent German grenades used more to "stun" whoever theyre thrown at to allow the infantry to move in for the kill?

But random fuses is definitly an interesting idea

 

[Dheepan]

There are dud nades in game, although the chance is rather small. It's happened to me more than once.

The mod had much more deadly grenades people disliked it, and said that it led to too much nade spam. There is currently a lot of nade spam in RO, especially on those 50 player servers.

 

[Jmodels]

Nades are spammed to much as it is. NO your sugestion is poor!!

 

[Murphy]

I already explained why the two suggestions would not lead to a higher amount of nade-spam. If anything they might even lower it.

 

[Elysium]

I know what you mean about not being killed by grenades that are close to you.

Correct me if im wrong but werent German grenades used more to "stun" whoever theyre thrown at to allow the infantry to move in for the kill?

But random fuses is definitly an interesting idea

And yet in game they seem more powerful than the Soviet M1 grenades at killing.

 

[Elysium]

I already explained why the two suggestions would not lead to a higher amount of nade-spam. If anything they might even lower it.

Your suggestion of a larger blast radias will make things far worse, can you imagine what it would be like on Danzing!?

 

[Murphy]

You quoted me saying the "two suggestions" yet you only refer to the bigger blast radius. Of course a bigger blast radius combined with the current insta-explode timeable grenades would make things worse. That's were the random fuses come in.

Besides: Danzig was never a good map in that regard, not even in the mod days, nerfing the grenades to make it playable is the wrong way in my opinion.

 

[Rak]

Oh no, please don't bring back the Nuke Nades of pre-3.2. I'm ok with random fuses though. If bigger radius is really really needed, then something has to be done with nade count per player to balance it out.

 

[SiC-Disaster]

Number 1.

Seconded

 

[piller]

I like the idea of having a grenade and saying to yourself, "will it be 3.5 seconds? or 5?"

Theres no way fuses could be exactly all the time.

I also think grenade's accuracy could be less. It seems like Hail Marys hit right on the mark way too often.

 

[Elysium]

I like the idea of having a grenade and saying to yourself, "will it be 3.5 seconds? or 5?"

Theres no way fuses could be exactly all the time.

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If nades had random fuses then it might cause tk's to increase (well with German nades anyway) as it may explode and take you and your team mates out!

 

[odin1899]

May I suggest their name be changed from 'gernade' to 'grenade'? Just for realism's sake?

 

[Murphy]

May I suggest their name be changed from 'gernade' to 'grenade'? Just for realism's sake?

Grammar-Nazi.

 

[Soziopath]

Well, in this case, more realism is not a good way to increase the funlevel. I can imagine horrid amounts of teamkilling, nadespamming and other rather inconvenient things that I have to say: leave the nades as they are, they are lethal enough. Plus, nadespam and nade-tks are already rather common, so increasing the blast radius and adding random fuses would just make things worse. I just think of maps like Danzig or PariserPlatz (Reichstag capture zone), where nadespamming is just a pain. I know, you can always avoid getting killed by a nade by simply not going where the nades are falling, but if everybody would act like that, the game would become an eerie campfest.

 

[Gunwing]

Well, in this case, more realism is not a good way to increase the funlevel. I can imagine horrid amounts of teamkilling, nadespamming and other rather inconvenient things that I have to say: leave the nades as they are, they are lethal enough. Plus, nadespam and nade-tks are already rather common, so increasing the blast radius and adding random fuses would just make things worse. I just think of maps like Danzig or PariserPlatz (Reichstag capture zone), where nadespamming is just a pain. I know, you can always avoid getting killed by a nade by simply not going where the nades are falling, but if everybody would act like that, the game would become an eerie campfest.

I agree with you Soziopath. I mean nades are bad enough as is. Change it now and everyone would use them in place of real weapons ala BF2. Remeber the nade spamming that happened on any infantry map? god it was a nightmeare!

BTW we do have dud nades. So random fuses is a moot point. IE not every nade you toss will go off first time every time. Thats a good diterent right now for nade spamming. IE there is always the off chance that the two nades you tossed over that hill will not go off at all. Still I think you should be able to pick them up if they are duds, and use them like weapons. IE make em blow up by chucking them at the enemy then shooting it where it lands IE that would make it blow would it not?

Also any change in the nade system we had would drasitcly change how people play the game and what type of people play the game. IE what your suggesting would make alot of the realisim players IE me, and many others leave the game for good.