King Tiger/Ferdinand/Elefants/Panthers (Merged)

[K Rohm]

It would be interesting to see some PzI's and II's, and 38(t)'s out there against BT-series tanks and such- remember, even the Tiger ace Otto Carius went into Russia in a 38(t) in the beginning!

I would also like to see some of the armored cars in action as well--

 

[xka]

Well, if we are speaking about ostfront, russian campaing, it hasnt too much sense to see Panzer I or II..they were obsolet, but perhaps some light tanks could insert into big citi scenarios...an idea only

If elefant would be designed for RO, a Russian equivalent could be the ISU-152 or ISU-76.

 

[Solo4114]

It would be interesting to see some PzI's and II's, and 38(t)'s out there against BT-series tanks and such- remember, even the Tiger ace Otto Carius went into Russia in a 38(t) in the beginning!

I would also like to see some of the armored cars in action as well--

A-freakin'-men.

You guys can keep your big tanks with big guns. Gimme somethin' small! I want to drive a T-26 up against a Pz38(t). I want both the Pzb-35 and PTRD to be useful. I want us to have to adapt to different tank doctrines and see real differences in design which necessesitate different tactics.

King Tiger? Ferdinand/Elephant? SU-122? Pz-IVJ-with-the-gold-trim-paintjob-and-modified-muffler-but-which-is-basically-no-different-from-the-other-crap-we-already-have? All more of the same and a waste of time unless someone wants to do a custom model.

But if TWI is gonna be spending its time making any new vehicles, please Lord, let it be early-war stuff.

 

[angelangel]

I think the Russians need more fancier tanks, leave the Germans out of this for awhile. I can't wait for what the up coming patch has installed for us.

 

[stebbs]

I'm all for new tank additions IF, and only if the russians get the PTRS or some other powerful anti tank weapon. No reason to put new german weaponry/vehicles without an effective choice for the other side.

 

[Solo4114]

The PTRS isn't powerful. It's a semi-auto version of the same worthless AT rifle the Russians already have. It would be powerful on a map with early war tanks, but in the later war it'd just be a faster way of wasting your ammo.

 

[[FS] Celtic WereWolf]

During the Kursk offensive until November of 1943, Ferdinands from sPzJagAbt 653 destroyed some 320 Soviet tanks and lost 13 Ferdinands, while entire 656 sPanzerjager Regiment destroyed some 502 Soviet tanks and 100 other vehicles. Ferdinands proved to be very effective when employed behind the lines.

 

[Recce]

anayone got a piccie of the jagtigers shell plz?!!/quote]Colt, I'll see what I can get for you. I know where there were posts of 2 shells, apparently a PzGr39 and PzGr40/43, but theyaren't up anymore.
Actual AP shells for the Flak/PaK 44 are incredibly rare. Although someone might be producing knock-offs.

If elefant would be designed for RO, a Russian equivalent could be the ISU-152 or ISU-76.

ISU-76 ??? Do you mean the SU-76???
The ML20 L/28 fitted on the ISU-152 was a medium/low velocity artillery piece and can't be compared to the very high velocity 88mm KwK43 L/71. The Russians had problems trying to manufacture large calibre, high velocity guns; they ran into severe problems with wear and heat dissipation.

 

[Saturnalia]

I just want an armored Soviet column using crappy T-26s and BT-5s traveling through a narrow road in a pine forest. Then I wish to be a Finn and run in and blow it all up.

 

[Oldih]

I doubt we will see that tank as official implementation in RO, but I find it very funny that in every 2nd map you can find wreck of an Elephant\Ferdinand around.

 

[CrazyThumbs]

Heres a model of the Elefant that I started not too long ago, haven't finished it though.

I thin kthis tank would be better suited to a tank sim game like Karkhov 42, though it wasn't around then.

 

[Reddog]

Meh, more early war tanks first, oh and a decent SPG for the Ruskies like the SU-85 or SU-122, especially for the kursk era I believe the 122's were used a lot. A KV-1E would be nice too.

I don't get people asking for all this rare ****, especially the Tiger II of which barely any saw combat and even then any firepower superiority they had was nullified by their ****house speed, extremely short range, limited terrain handling and the fact that they mostly broke down.

In fact I don't even see why the Tiger II is regarded as such a 'golden boy' tank by so many people, fire power and thick armour are important factors for sure, but so are things like range and reliability. I guess the Tiger II is for people who want to drool over somethings specs rather than contemplate how you'd use such a slow, ungainly and maintenance heavy beast in a mobile war.

 

[CrazyThumbs]

The Tiger II's top speed was around 24mph. The top speed for the Pz IV was around 25 mph, I wouldn't consider that slow.

 

[Solo4114]

Blah blah blah on the stats. Anyone can read a stat sheet. It's the battlefield reports that matter to me. If the Tiger II was hard to get TO the battlefield, it's not as hot a tank as folks make it out to be. If the Tiger II was a pain to keep in good running order, it's not as great as people think. If the Tiger II had a tendency to have X, Y, or Z fail on it either before reaching the battlefield or during combat, you get the idea.

I don't know the answers to these questions, and I honestly don't care. That's because I think the Tiger II and pretty much most late-war tank additions are a friggin' waste of time and add nothing to the gameplay experience. A Stug with a machinegun, yet another minutely different German variant of tank X, a T-34/76 with a hexagonal turret, etc. It's all just more of the same, and even if there were functional differences during the war, likely the PLAYERS won't notice any real performance differences. When I first drove a Pz IV(h) I thought "Cool!" When I used it in combat the first time, I though "Oh, I guess it's pretty much the same thing."

Early war. That's what I want to see if anything gets added. T-26, BT-5, BT-7, Pz38(t), early-war model Pz III and IV tanks, etc. Tanks that require a drastically different mindset and approach to tactics than simply "Drive somewhere, park, and shoot at stuff."

 

[LukeFF]

The Tiger II's top speed was around 24mph. The top speed for the Pz IV was around 25 mph, I wouldn't consider that slow.

On a hard surface, yes. Cross-country is a totally different matter, as the Tiger II weighed way much more than a typical late-model Panzer IV.

 

[CrazyThumbs]

They had nearly the same cross country speeds to. 9-12mph

 

[Reddog]

Yeah well you can have your Tiger II and I can have the 10 or so T34/85's that can be made for the same cost. You can break down after driving 20Km and I can flank you and put 10 rounds in your arse

 

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

I don't see what started the myth of later-war German armour being "crap". It was still highly superior to most armour Russian or western allied tanks used. The myth that the armour all of a sudden became crap was just a propaganda feat started by the allies and continued after the war. No, a Tiger II didn't desintegrate the second you shot your Garand at it. It was still a beast and on a one-on-one engagement you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end. Logistics made it impossible for this thirsty beast to keep up with other, more "down-to-earth" tanks, and that was ultimately its achilles heel. It was too far ahead of its time.

What's funny is that a lot of people think the Tigers were pieces of **** that couldn't go anywhere due to their problems. What's even funnier is that a higher percentage of Tiger tanks were working better than when compared to the other tanks of the war, Panthers and IVs if I recall correctly. I don't see anyone else crying for those tanks to have more mechanicaly problems than the Tigers, which they did during the war. laff.

 

[LukeFF]

What's funny is that a lot of people think the Tigers were pieces of **** that couldn't go anywhere due to their problems.

"One hour of Tiger operation requires ten hours of maintenance."

-Alfred Rubbel, Tiger commander, 503rd Heavy Tank Battalion

 

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

"One hour of Tiger operation requires ten hours of maintenance."

-Alfred Rubbel, Tiger commander, 503rd Heavy Tank Battalion

And this means what? Nothing. Does not change the fact that they were operational at or beyond the levels of the Panther or IV.