Danzig

[wolfhound338]

Can someone tell me what happened to the mine fields behind the wall @ the bridge heads on this map. I have and other members of our clan seen lots of germans actually on the boat beyond that area?
So what has changed it was not allways so.

 

[wolfhound338]

Can no one answer this one for me.........see above post.

 

[stebbs]

i believe it only becomes a minefield AFTER those zones are capped. Prior to that it is simply another section, but after capping it becomes your spawn. Hence the minefields.

 

[SasQuatch]

i believe it only becomes a minefield AFTER those zones are capped. Prior to that it is simply another section, but after capping it becomes your spawn. Hence the minefields.

Correct.

 

[flook]

mmm this wasn't the case on first release tho was it? seem to remember the bridgeheads being very easy to cap by simply sitting behind the wall, with the germans self destructing if they tried to go past the big wall

 

[SasQuatch]

mmm this wasn't the case on first release tho was it? seem to remember the bridgeheads being very easy to cap by simply sitting behind the wall, with the germans self destructing if they tried to go past the big wall

Incorrect.

 

[PUTZ]

Full of conversation, aren't we?

 

[SasQuatch]

Full of conversation, aren't we?

Next Patch your name is off that wall

 

[Athena]

Next Patch your name is off that wall

If you turn "projectors" off, you don't see it anymore - that's what I did

 

[stebbs]

mmm this wasn't the case on first release tho was it? seem to remember the bridgeheads being very easy to cap by simply sitting behind the wall, with the germans self destructing if they tried to go past the big wall

Wouldn't that defeat the entire purpose of defending the first 2 objectives? I don't know if the original release was like that or not, but I do like the way it is now, those first 2 are sometimes the most difficult to cap if the germans are working well together.

 

[Solo4114]

I think the map somewhat favors the defending side, but not enough that it's a complete turkey shoot. That, however, is the case in pretty much all attack/defense maps like this.

The two bridgeheads are realtively easy to capture, if the team moves fast. The real trick, however, is capturing both the Command HQ and the Market simultaneously. This requires that either both be attacked at once, or that one be focused on in force, and the other with a smaller group of troops. Whoever captures first must then hold the position long enough for the other capture group to cap. That's the real trick to me.

By contrast, if the Germans REALLY wanted to play tough, they could simply all fall back to ONE position, hold it, and win. That's the nature of attack/defense maps, though. You don't have to hold BOTH the HQ and the Tower on Odessa to win -- just one of them. The difference there, however, is that neither is recapturable. That's one of the other ways in which Danzig is unbalanced in terms of the map layout.


HOWEVER, something that people often forget about is REINFORCEMENTS. This is a major way that mappers can balance what SEEMS to be an unbalanced map. Assuming the clock timer is long enough, an option for the attacking team is to simply whittle down the defense quickly enough so that there's no one left to defend, then capture it (or just kill every defender). By balancing the reinforcements, a mapper can give the positioning advantage to one side, but the longevity advantage to the other, thereby keeping the map balanced.

In THIS way I think Danzig is actuallly prety well balanced. I've seen a few instances in which the Russians simply wore the Germans down and then stormed the remaining positions.

 

[wolfhound338]

Thank you for your posts folks, i could have swore it was not allways that way but, the DEV talks( all be it not much but enough ) cheers.

 

[PUTZ]

If you turn "projectors" off, you don't see it anymore - that's what I did

bastard.

 

[Athena]

bastard.

 

[REZ]

if the Germans REALLY wanted to play tough, they could simply all fall back to ONE position, hold it, and win

I'm amazed at how few people realize this. Pile every single defender into one cap zone and stay there. Its quite easy to defend in this manner.

 

[Jamer]

I'll tell ya what I think allright, This maps unfair, balance the teams, etc.,etc. blah .blah,blah. Guess what junior?, life isn't fair.Sometimes things go your way and somtimes they don't and nobody likes a whinner, complainer whatever so you tuck those balls in soldier and get your funky ass in there and do your best! Take what your given and make the best of it.

 

[stebbs]

I'll tell ya what I think allright, This maps unfair, balance the teams, etc.,etc. blah .blah,blah. Guess what junior?, life isn't fair.Sometimes things go your way and somtimes they don't and nobody likes a whinner, complainer whatever so you tuck those balls in soldier and get your funky ass in there and do your best! Take what your given and make the best of it.

Galdang right sonny!!!