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Selective Fire Discussion (Merged Yet Again)

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#61
Best website for the PPSH41 is probably this one:
http://www.ppsh41.com/

I for one am not bothered if its selective fire or full automatic.
Its pretty devastating at short range and fired in short bursts pretty accurate out to short-medium range,depending on terrain and if the target is stationary or moving.

Rather than have a selective fire capability tripwire probably went for the easiest alternative ,using the unreal game engines capabilities.
 
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#64
Rak said:
Mp-41 wasn't the exact copy of Mp40. It used a different firing mechanism (Mp-28 I believe).
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No I don't think so. I think it's an MP40 with an MP28 stock. The internal mechanism is the same and I doubt it was slect fire.
As for the PPSh: The version modeled in game clearly has the selector so yes, it should be in. Try to find a picture of one without a selector and i think you'll have a hard time, they must've been VERY rare.
 
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#65
Ask the developers to include it in a patch.
Just do not hold your breath.

I would rather they fixed everything else first.
Like the list of fixes in the september patch.

Will the world end if the PPSH never has selective fire in ro ?.

Guess not!.

Anyway this is an MP41 thats been deactivated and it had selective fire.
http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/detail/mp41.htm
Visit here for more info on the MP40 and MP41 designs.The MP41 was high quality smg with wooden stock used by mostly police units.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP40
 
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#66
I doubt there's any issue with the engine/coding since the MP44/STG44 has a select fire.

The MP41 utilized the receiver from the MP40 and the firing mechanism of the MP28.

Here's a website with some pictures of a deactivated MP41 and info:
http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H78553.html

While there are more serious issues with the game, I feel that they've been discussed/mentioned before, so I'm just making a new suggestion.
 
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#68
[CiA]Stiletto said:
Err...the PPD40 was a Suomi knockoff, not an MP28 knockoff.
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Only the magazine was copied from the Suomi really.
sgt jefe said:
I doubt there's any issue with the engine/coding since the MP44/STG44 has a select fire.

The MP41 utilized the receiver from the MP40 and the firing mechanism of the MP28.

Here's a website with some pictures of a deactivated MP41 and info:
http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H78553.html

While there are more serious issues with the game, I feel that they've been discussed/mentioned before, so I'm just making a new suggestion.
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You seem to be right: that gun does have a selector switch.
 
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#69
Just read about the continuation war in which Germany and Finland were effectively allies from June 25, 1941 to September 4, 1944.

An interesting thought-the Finish produced Sumoi fired 9x19mm Luger/Para ammo.

But the germans never produced a copy of the sumoi itself,possibly the best smg in the world at that time.

My question is why did they not produce the sumoi either by license or other means,as at least a supplementary
weapon to the mp40 series smgs as they already fired the same ammo.

The countries were at one stage allies so why did the germans not copy the sumoi in a simplified form to help counter the big drum soviet smgs ?

Could it be german tactical doctorine, technical pride or politics ?.
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg52-e.htm
suomi%20laulaa3.jpg
 
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#70
Because the Suomi is freaking expensive and not suitable for mass production.

Simplification *may* have been possible, but the results would've been uncertain and it would've taken time. Not worth the trouble given the fact that Germany had no experience with that firearm and the better solution, the MP43, was already on the way. At that time, the last thing Germany needed was another weapon development program.
 
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#71
While fire selectors would be nice, I don't really see 'em as crucial. Even with the STG44, I only ever switch to single fire if I'm defending at medium range. Most of the time, you don't even need it because you can pop off individual shots. Same with the SMGs. The MP40/41 can pop off individual shots easily, and the Russian SMGs can fire very short bursts if you just tap the trigger.

If it can be added easily, sure, go for it, but I'd say this should be a lowish priority.
 
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KrazyKraut said:
Only the magazine was copied from the Suomi really.
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I've never heard that angle before, i've read quite a bit about the PPD-40 and the MP-28 has never been mentioned, only the Suomi.

I'd be interested in having a look at your source.


Also, i'd love to see semi-auto added to the PPSH, maybe then it'd be usefull (but i'd sooner have them fix that mental recoil).
 
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#74
I'm not saying it was based on the MP28, although Max Popenker seems to think so:
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg01-e.htm
"... being greatly inspired by the Bergmann-Schmeisser Mp-28 submachine gun"

I'm just stating that, between Suomi and PPD there are too many internal differences as to simply call it a Suomi knock-off. Only the magazines of the two are virtually identical. It was of course inspired by the Suomi, but it's not a direct copy.
 
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#75
PPSh

PPSh

Hello. I did a search and didn't find something that discussed my main topic. The PPSh is quite usefull in close combat when used correctly. However I think that there are two main things wrong with it. The first is the lack of select fire. From what I know most PPSh's produced until 1944/5 had select fire on them. And from what I'm told this is modelled on the gun in game. Wouldn't this feature be soft of handy for this medium range shots we attempt to take with the PPSh. The other is the magazines. The 71 round drum magazines that were put in the PPSh had a tendency to misfeed. In about 1942 from what I heard the 35 round magazines seen on the PPS-43 became available and were often used. I'd like to see these on the PPSh's. Maybe a mix of a drum and 3 magazines, 3 drums, or 5-6 magazines. They could make it random, or however they see it fit. I'd like to see recoil turned down a bit for the first 3-5 shots, but that is just my opinion. That's about it and thanks for reading.
 
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#78
Zbojnik said:
Yes, I did find threads on Select fire but not about the 35 round magazines. And since they both deal with 1 firearm there is no harm having them both discussed in one thread.
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The wiseass in me needs to point out that those issues still aren't being discussed in one thread. Now it's up to at least three. :p


Sorry. I'm in a weird mood. Have to spend Halloween night in a sleep study, in a spooky-ass building in a hospital. Weee.
 
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#79
Yeah I think in the early war maps (Basovka, Stalingrad Kessel, ect.) you should get the 3 extra drums like you have now in all the maps. In the rest of the maps (from 1943 and onward) you should get 1 drum to start out with and then 5 extra 35 round box magazines, because that's how it was in real life. That would balance it a lot more, so then they could take out the unrealistically high recoil. Also I'm all for the select fire on the PPSh41 too.:)
 
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