Dogs! (Merged Mutt Discussions)

[Maus]

Dog's are more innocent then humans by far. Killing a gun-toting Russian is different then killing a dog which has no idea why this war is being fought, or why it must kill... it was merely 'trained' to do what its 'masters' want.

Despite it only being a game, replicating the shooting of innocent animals still doesnt sit well.

 

[COOL SHADOW]

this thread steals my time...

 

[Comrade Wasabi]

The suggestion of dogs driving half-tracks makes me think of my old friend Toonces.

 

[Rrralphster]

The suggestion of dogs driving half-tracks makes me think of my old friend Toonces.

 

[snakedude24]

Dogs! (Merged Mutt DIscussions)

Dogs! (Merged Mutt DIscussions)

Some legit reasons for including dogs:




Anti-tank dogs, also known as dog mines, were starving dogs with explosives harnessed to their back and trained to seek food under enemy tanks and armoured vehicles. By doing so, a small wooden lever would be tripped, detonating the explosives.The anti-tank dogs were successful at disabling a reported three hundred German tanks. Eventually the Germans began using tank-mounted flame-throwers to ward off the dogs.


A Russian war dog was sent to deliver a message during the battle of Stalingrad. The dog travelled for about 10 kilometres and was wounded nine times during the trip.




Really, the only potential problems here are:

A.) No one likes to shoot dogs.

and

B.) Would the dog be a controllable avatar? E.g, would you spawn as a dog, or would you basically deploy them as their handler?

 

[Zbojnik]

Been suggested like fity times. And it would be IMHO one stupid as hell idea in a game.

 

[snakedude24]

Yep. This will look pretty stupid if not implemented correctly. But, it can be.

As for the argument that this has been discussed, try telling that to the machinegun people.

Just because stuff has been talked about doesn't mean that it isn't valid.

 

[Crim]

If dogs make it in to the game before rifle grenades or mortars, I will be pissed.

 

[Zbojnik]

Yep. This will look pretty stupid if not implemented correctly. But, it can be.

As for the argument that this has been discussed, try telling that to the machinegun people.

Just because stuff has been talked about doesn't mean that it isn't valid.

One small problem. The Soviets dropped the mine dog plan pretty fast, once they noticed that their dogs would often run under their tanks. And I truly believe their are more important things to look into like the armour system or the machine guns. Sure something like 300 were taken out, but after that small mess up were a bunch escape and a whole division had to retreat the Soviets stopped using them.

 

[Wolfstuka]

Really, the only potential problems here are:

A.) No one likes to shoot dogs.

Really? What could be more fun than mowing down a somewhat innocent pooch?

Seriously though if someone has issues shooting dogs in a video game but not when they shoot people then they should have their head checked.

 

[Kipper]

...but after that small mess up were a bunch escape and a whole division had to retreat...

All you can say to that is "lol."

 

[Isaak Johnson]

It sounds like a neat idea, but I would only suggest somthing like this for a single player game, and that only the AI enemies could use them.

The only reason I can see for adding dogs into the multiplayer is to give atmosphere to the game, such as an AI dog thats tied to a fence, but even then there is almost no point.

 

[Maus]

actually the anti-tank dogs (poor things with horrible missions...) were trained to seek food under Russian tanks. Which is why they failed, because they would always go for the familiar t-34 noises for example.

 

[slyder73]

Some legit reasons for including dogs:




Anti-tank dogs, also known as dog mines, were starving dogs with explosives harnessed to their back and trained to seek food under enemy tanks and armoured vehicles. By doing so, a small wooden lever would be tripped, detonating the explosives.The anti-tank dogs were successful at disabling a reported three hundred German tanks. Eventually the Germans began using tank-mounted flame-throwers to ward off the dogs.


A Russian war dog was sent to deliver a message during the battle of Stalingrad. The dog travelled for about 10 kilometres and was wounded nine times during the trip.




Really, the only potential problems here are:

A.) No one likes to shoot dogs.

and

B.) Would the dog be a controllable avatar? E.g, would you spawn as a dog, or would you basically deploy them as their handler?

The only way I can see dogs being useful is if they are given to a squad leader. The Squad leader can deploy them to stay at cap points to guard. When the enemy (but not friendlies) comes in visual sight of the dog it starts barking. The bark is a warning that can tell the team that the cap point is being taken.
This would replace the current "magical" flashing cross on the map when enemies are capping. I think this is a better idea. If the "guard dogs" gave the warning, it would be up to teh squad leader, and give the squad leader more responsibility and even more useful of a role. If the squad leader is an idiot and leaves no guard dogs, then no warning for the cap.

 

[SchutzeSepp]

A.) No one likes to shoot dogs.

believe me, people that have been thru battles for long times and saw many people die and killed some to. well they don't think like normal people anymore, they lose all moral reflection and sense of ethics -> so they can kill pretty much anything that lives in the most cruel way possible...

the time and effort it would take to implement such a extremely complicated thing, should be spent on making other necessary improvements.

 

[Witzi]

Yes yes, russians used dogs as homing antitankbombs, but they quickly learned that dogs couldnt tell difference between german and russian tank, so this is no-no.

 

[Lizardhands]

As much as I love talking about the bomb dogs, this is starting to annoy even me.

Seriously, like, do a search.

It's already been established that the bomb dogs were useless because they blew up as many Soviet tanks as Axis ones.

Also, they're ****ing dogs. They would look stupid.

 

[Rak]

These threads are starting to drive me crazy >.<

 

[angelangel]

If this were added, Jack Thompson and the dog lovers will start blowing their barrels.

 

[SheepDip]

This is an awful idea that the community needs to get past.