Bmw R75
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Look how close the clowncar comes for example?
Exactly!! the allied has a small nippy vehicle! why dont the axis??!! makes it a little unfair don't you think? The bikes would be the perfect addition
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The guy I quoted is a new member, there have been a lot of new members lately. I stick by my observation that there are a lot more BF type players, and people who don't care about realism in the community now than what there were. If some of you new members would go back 3 months or so and read the threads we had they were based around realism, now it seems like anything hip is suggested and completely supported by most of the posters. Before when someone suggested something unrealistic the person was flamed (for lack of a better word) but it isn't like that anymore.
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Of course I'd rather not have jetpacks and redeemers ingame
but I'm still having a hard time seeing anything unrealistic about having a WW2 era motorcycle which was actually used in WW2 to be utilized ingame somehow. That somehow of course being dependent on various factors of the layout of a map constituting it plausible for motorcycles to be used there.Also I think that not having 'new' ideas flamed is a very good thing. It's a positive to bring new ideas to the table and have an informative discussion without it regressing to mere drivel. Any new idea and any player of a game new or old is worthy of a certain amount of respect and/or interest. When there are no more ideas being considered or heard about Ostfront then I'll start to worry.
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I gotta agree with ya on this one [5.SS]Strother
The tanks are just fine the way they are. Although it is rather annoying when ya get a tank all set up in a good position to guard an objective or cover a road and someone hops in and drives off with it ( and you ) for a joy ride.
Even Bots do it!
LOL
As far as the BF2 crowd goes
If they liked BF2 they would be playing BF2 instead of RO.
Although I've never played BF2 I tried BFV and it sux.
EA games keep getting worse instead of better
they've been trading content for eye candy for years now.
The BMW IS Realistic, but I think the concern here is more about how it is going to be abused
rather than its authenticity.
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It would be a good addition for mappers to use. Big maps could certainly make use of them. Many of the maps currently available would be fitting. But in all honesty I would like to see an improved Clowncar with a Commander position system like in tanks and the addition of a half-track for the Russians.
As for the Russian Half-track. Anyone know a place with more information? What kinds did they use? How many were produced? Ect...
As for the Russian Half-track. Anyone know a place with more information? What kinds did they use? How many were produced? Ect...
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The bmw was a scout vehicle, there is no scouting in this game, the game models the actually post recon battle. Now if a mapper could make a map where you are recon and you run into the enemy I would accept it, but you know for a fact that a lot of mappers are just going to put them into every map they can just for the fun factor not the realism factor.
Well BF42/2 players like the vehicular combat and large battles, RO has this and that would attract the BF42 people. Also Steam has a lot of unrealistic shoot em up games, and everyone on steam is exposed to the advertising of RO. These people bring the unrealisic and fun gameplay arguements into this community from games such as halflife deathmatch and counter strike among others. We would see a lot more realism supporters if the core games for Steam were realistic games like OFP, flight sims, and tank sims.
If you advertise and market to a certain group, then those people will become your majority of customers (if your marketing skills are any good)
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I like this idea, I vote yes, and they did use them for battle, they were effective for pushing some groups of enemys back. They put an mger in the left hand seat.
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There is better things to add to the game then a R75, its not like you can get everything you set your eyes on into this game as thing actually take time to make (suprised?). And Im not even gonna comment on the "one man tank" idea...
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Yeah! Let's have that motorbike! Screw realism! Hey, let's have fried chicken as well! Mmm, fried chicken... (<--- this suggestion is based on realism and realistic sources, after all - they had fried chicken in World War Two on the eastern front.)
In all honesty, I wish the mod forums would've been kept up and running. There's still some decent mod servers I think and the people there actually care about realism.
Look, the BMW R-75 bikes were for RECON. They were NOT used in pre-planned battles. They were not assault assets available to field commanders and they had that MG for SELF-PROTECTION in case of a convoy ambush by partizans in fortress Europe, a.k.a. thousands of miles behind the front-lines.
They were used to transport supplies, to evacuate and to escort. They were not used as combat units and they were not intended to be used as combat units. Wars are mostly fought on massive open plains with tanks dominating the horizons. It's not like in RO or most others war games where the usual engament range is about two feet and where this bike would actually, *ahem*, "pwn".
Not everything that looks cool is actually viable or realistic. Then again, neither was adding the Ba-64 (which is still WAY too fast off-road), which was also a recon unit and was not used as an assault asset. Oh well.
In all honesty, I wish the mod forums would've been kept up and running. There's still some decent mod servers I think and the people there actually care about realism.
Look, the BMW R-75 bikes were for RECON. They were NOT used in pre-planned battles. They were not assault assets available to field commanders and they had that MG for SELF-PROTECTION in case of a convoy ambush by partizans in fortress Europe, a.k.a. thousands of miles behind the front-lines.
They were used to transport supplies, to evacuate and to escort. They were not used as combat units and they were not intended to be used as combat units. Wars are mostly fought on massive open plains with tanks dominating the horizons. It's not like in RO or most others war games where the usual engament range is about two feet and where this bike would actually, *ahem*, "pwn".
Not everything that looks cool is actually viable or realistic. Then again, neither was adding the Ba-64 (which is still WAY too fast off-road), which was also a recon unit and was not used as an assault asset. Oh well.
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Interesting and realistic WWII German tactic which got me thinking about the possibility of motorcycles, other WWII era vehicles and Combined Arms in general.
The following taken from Wikipedia...
Blitzkrieg=(German, literally lightning war or flash war) is a popular name for an offensive operational-level military doctrine which involves an initial bombardment followed by employment of mobile forces attacking with speed and surprise to prevent an enemy from implementing a coherent defense.
The generally accepted definition of blitzkrieg operations include the use of maneuver rather than attrition to defeat an opponent, and describe operations using combined arms concentration of mobile assets at a focal point, armour closely supported by mobile infantry, artillery and close air support assets. These tactics required the development of specialized support vehicles, new methods of communication, new tactics, and an effective decentralized command structure. Broadly speaking, blitzkrieg operations required the development of mechanized infantry, self-propelled artillery and engineering assets that could maintain the rate of advance of the tanks.
The following taken from Wikipedia...
Blitzkrieg=(German, literally lightning war or flash war) is a popular name for an offensive operational-level military doctrine which involves an initial bombardment followed by employment of mobile forces attacking with speed and surprise to prevent an enemy from implementing a coherent defense.
The generally accepted definition of blitzkrieg operations include the use of maneuver rather than attrition to defeat an opponent, and describe operations using combined arms concentration of mobile assets at a focal point, armour closely supported by mobile infantry, artillery and close air support assets. These tactics required the development of specialized support vehicles, new methods of communication, new tactics, and an effective decentralized command structure. Broadly speaking, blitzkrieg operations required the development of mechanized infantry, self-propelled artillery and engineering assets that could maintain the rate of advance of the tanks.
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The only place where I would maybe like to see a motorcycle is a "partisan attack on a police patrol" type scenario. However, to protect the game from silly players and map makers, it would have to be pretty heavily restricted to prevent, like others have mentioned, having the bike pop up everywhere "to ballance the ba-64". Even then, a motorcycle would be a fairly useless vehicle. Being high profile (that is, higher than a machinegunner prone on the ground) and thus would be very vulnerable even to rifle fire, which would be the primary weapon of the before mentioned partisans.
/edit Monkeyman, the mechanized infantry and mobile infantry you have highlighted refer to the soldiers mounted on halftracks following the assaulting tanks, which are already inclueded in the game, and like any other vehicle are terribly misused.
/edit Monkeyman, the mechanized infantry and mobile infantry you have highlighted refer to the soldiers mounted on halftracks following the assaulting tanks, which are already inclueded in the game, and like any other vehicle are terribly misused.
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If you want something similar to the BA-64, may I suggest the Sd.Kfz.221? Same thing, a lightly armored, four-wheeled scout car mounting a single Mg.34 in a low turret. There's also the Sd.Kfz.222 but it's got a 20mm cannon as well as the Mg.34. Either would make more sense in-game than the R/75.
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I believe there was a motorcycle infantry company(s) involved and will find the info soon
.Also perhaps check out this fellows story concerning whether or not motorcycle infantry was involved in perhaps more than minor skirmishes(not that they're not fun ingame
)http://www.percy.clara.net/albertandresen.htm
The typical vehicles of these units and their formations are responsible for the naming of these troops: "Kradsch
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Hmm, I wouldn't think motorcycles would have that much practical use on the frontline... I stand corrected. Still, within the game's rules their aplication would be fairly limited, and their advantages almost unnoticeble.
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