Tactical Realism mod?

[kabex]

I am kind of surprised we haven't heard about a Tactical Realism mod for RO.

Basically, what this mod would do is try to make the game, in both infantry and tank combat as close as possible to a simulation.

Off the top of my head some mod-specific improvements which I don't think Tripwire should add officially, these should be for a tactical mod which is used in "units"(clanplay):

1. Realistic accuracy for all weapons (pistols, mg42, ppsh, mp40 etc)
2. Realistic recoil for all weapons
3. Diversity in uniforms, skins, camo according to the real war
4. Heavily increased suppression effects, make WWII tactics effective in the battlefield(refer to the Close Combat series for insight).
5. Complete MG system (linking belts, belts for mg34, belts 200+ rounds long, more than 1 spare barrel, tripods, tracers or no tracers, etc)
6. Primitive penetration code
For bullets: after hitting a penetrable surface, continue trajectory as hitscan bullet.
For HE shells: when an HE shell hits a wall/object, it ignores it and the explosion goes through kiling anyone.
7. Removal of artillery strikes, now you can call in mortar, rocket(nebelwerfer and katyusha) and smoke barrages.
8. Elimination of gamey "complete disregard for ones life or tank"
9. Accurate armor load outs and availability: absolutely no PzIVF/1, 2 or Stug F/8, correct versions instead. In '44 maps, T-34/76s should still be around.
10. Practical melee system(no more circling around the enemy for 10 seconds and not hitting him).

Etc... what do you guys think? I am no coder, I am just throwing this out there, btw.

 

[Kavelin]

Stalin says RO's already really realistic but GO FOR IT!!!just dont make it to real

 

[Heldentod]

i would like to see that you lose not all your ammo when your weapon gets shot out of hand and that you have to "loot" the dead enemys/comrades for ammo/nades/select your desired object(maybe smokes or clean socks for the fun)

 

[turbografx16]

Awesome! By all means try to get a team assembled. I would love to see recoil etc portrayed more accurately. Also, consider giving the guns which had selective fire, selective fire and allowing the MGs to be used in the assault stance as per army doctrine.

 

[K.Johansen]

If only if only we had more modders available.

 

[Wint-O-Green]

If I only had a brain...

 

[Murphy]

Why not let Tripwire do the work...
Those features sound like good suggestions (I don

 

[Plaid13]

I think the guns are as accurate as they should be for the most part. except maybe the pistols But from what i have seen the smgs seem to be right same with the rifles. The semi auto rifles might be a little less accurate then they should be though. the recoil only seems to be off for the smgs. and they go way overboard on that. Should be able to standupright and fire aimed shots. Maybe make the ppd and ppsh more accurate then the mp40/41 just because they really were supposed to be the most accurate smgs used in the war thanks to a longer barral and slightly more powerful round. SMGs should be a good mid range weapon. mid range being up to a few hundred feet. not the 50 feet or so they seem to be effective in the game. But they are only ineffective because of the kick from the recoil. so if your laying down flat with the weapon supported they can kill a few hundred feet away like they should.
Im sure people would cry about it but... people need to realize guns kill Smgs are good guns and wouldnt have been used if they didnt work very well. In the game as it is now the smgs are great for killing 15 feet or so away but realistilcly in war people hardly got that close to eachother.

Granades would need to be changed as well. they were more powerful. The kill range seems to be about right but.. they should throw out some shrapnel that would wound at longer distances and still have a chance to kill if it hits in the right spots.

When someones hit in the leg i want to see them instantly fall to the ground. no more of that slow to a crawl crap and still be able to stand.

Something should be done about tracers as well. As it is they serve no purpose other then pointing out where the mg is. Maybe make them glow alot less brightly. i dont think tracers were that easy to see during the day.

All of the mgs need to be more accurate.

 

[Amerikaner]

Im all for it. Im not sure exaclty what I could contribute but Id love to see it. As it is now, all RO is in my opinion is an arcade game with realistic features.

 

[zeep]

I agree on many points and would like to see this happen. I'm shopping around for a coder myself to help me mod more realism into RO, but good and motivated coders who are into extreme realism are hard to find..

 

[Ron]

Yea good idea instead of waiting for tw to fix community complaints with regards to realism get the commnity to fix them. Because who knows Tw migth have no intention of doing something with stuff like mg's etc.

 

[Drude]

I don't see this kind of mod necessary...

but maybe it would satisfy the ULTRA-realism nerds.

 

[Ron]

I don't see this kind of mod necessary...

but maybe it would satisfy the ULTRA-realism nerds.

Wow man whas your problem, im no realism nerd as you say but im interested to see how the game would play with more realistic mg's, lower recoil on smgs, and the main one a simple penetration system oh and a heavier suppression system.

 

[Drude]

Wow man whas your problem, im no realism nerd as you say but im interested to see how the game would play with more realistic mg's, lower recoil on smgs, and the main one a simple penetration system oh and a heavier suppression system.

Well, why did you get offended if you are not

ok ok, it's not "wrong" to make one, I don't just don't like idea dividing avaible servers in to two different factions.

 

[Ron]

Well, why did you get offended if you are not

ok ok, it's not "wrong" to make one, I don't just don't like idea dividing avaible servers in to two different factions.

I wasnt actually offended personally funnily enough come on i played cod2 before ro and if i am a realism nerd then so be it im sure i can live with that.
Its just your last point didnt really explain why you were opposed and i hardly feel realism nerds is a valid argument or constructive, but now that you've explained yourself somewhat i see your point.

 

[DirtyRat]

if some nice coder got off their bumb and started coding an SD gametype or similar this would be good

 

[Teq]

Great ideas

Great ideas

ALot of nice ideas here.

We Should link this threads:

RO-realitymod:
http://www.redorchestragame.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10518

If we put our heads together and
Substract what is excessive and add what is essensial for the best realism "feel" in a game, we might have a genious mutation/mod in hopefully not distant future?

 

[[5.SS]Stuka]

Sounds like a sweet idea.

 

[Teq]

I am kind of surprised we haven't heard about a Tactical Realism mod for RO.

Basically, what this mod would do is try to make the game, in both infantry and tank combat as close as possible to a simulation.

Off the top of my head some mod-specific improvements which I don't think Tripwire should add officially, these should be for a tactical mod which is used in "units"(clanplay):

1. Realistic accuracy for all weapons (pistols, mg42, ppsh, mp40 etc)
2. Realistic recoil for all weapons
3. Diversity in uniforms, skins, camo according to the real war
4. Heavily increased suppression effects, make WWII tactics effective in the battlefield(refer to the Close Combat series for insight).
5. Complete MG system (linking belts, belts for mg34, belts 200+ rounds long, more than 1 spare barrel, tripods, tracers or no tracers, etc)
6. Primitive penetration code
For bullets: after hitting a penetrable surface, continue trajectory as hitscan bullet.
For HE shells: when an HE shell hits a wall/object, it ignores it and the explosion goes through kiling anyone.
7. Removal of artillery strikes, now you can call in mortar, rocket(nebelwerfer and katyusha) and smoke barrages.
8. Elimination of gamey "complete disregard for ones life or tank"
9. Accurate armor load outs and availability: absolutely no PzIVF/1, 2 or Stug F/8, correct versions instead. In '44 maps, T-34/76s should still be around.
10. Practical melee system(no more circling around the enemy for 10 seconds and not hitting him).

Etc... what do you guys think? I am no coder, I am just throwing this out there, btw.

I beleive everything is possible.
Its a matter of faith, hard work, time, resourses and research
Maybe even TW wants to go there, but just have done their basic works first?
The depth in detail can go quite far at times, and I one has to take a step at the time.
Some like realistic cosmetics and graphics...
some wants the sounds perfect...
some wants combinations...
For my part, I feel the foundation for my dream is soon graspable

I am a teamplay and physical realism fanatic.
meaning I want to feel that Im moving with a group that wants to help me to survive, and that the effects of war is "felt" in my mouse and mind.

If a game can give me this, I dont really care if the weapon appears to have its mechanism mounted upside down as long as my bullet goes where its supposed to, the gun "feels" real and my teammates do their work.

 

[[5.SS]Stuka]

I am a teamplay and physical realism fanatic.

When you say physical?