Smokegrenades
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yes would be a nice addition and come in handy when you have to cross an sniperinfested open area 
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sigh....looks like my blanket fell off. Guess I'm going to have to re-educate everyone. Smoke grenades wern't used in large enough quantities on the ostfront to be put into the game. There is no questioning that. Discussion over.
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Neither were some of the weapons in the game, but they are still there. Just because they were not common but still used, doesn't mean they should be left out.[5.SS]Strother said:
I think this is a good idea and they aught to be added. It is up to a mapper to determine how many each class gets though. But we know more content will be added via patches, like teller mines and magnetic mines, so maybe we will get smoke nades.
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What equipment do we have in game that was rare on the ostfront?
You don't want to know the reality of smoke grenade, good in theory, but they totally suck.
You don't want to know the reality of smoke grenade, good in theory, but they totally suck.
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Wasn't the PPS43 pretty rare?
THE MP41!!! Very rare, you see plenty of them, i have NO idea why it was added, it IS the mp40 but with a wooden stock, they could have added an interesting weapon.
THE MP41!!! Very rare, you see plenty of them, i have NO idea why it was added, it IS the mp40 but with a wooden stock, they could have added an interesting weapon.
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i was giving an example of Rare weapons that are very abundant in game to support the introduction of smoke grenades in game.
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Mp41 was still rara compared to other weapons at the time. It saw little combat, it might of been issued to police untits, but how many maps are based on police action? NONE?!{Cap-Down} said:
They were rare, yet they are in game. So should smoke grenades, a great tool. They were used very often, more so on the western front 1944. But on the east too, they were also used to blind enemy tanks so at-infantry was able to get close to place mines and explosives on the tanks.
They should still be included.
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if we are going into real life
Smoke Grenades are useless even if there is a slight wind because all that nicly made smoke has now been blown away
they are only usefull if there is practically no wind what so ever
and knowing the detail of RO they will have to add wind in to move to the
and I dont think most people's computers would handle this without exptreme lag
Anyway its better without smoke it means you need to think a way through a place instead of just goin "hmm mg eh???.... i think SMOKE GRENADE!"
COD and DOD have em but i wouldnt say those games are that good..... so we shouldnt copy em
without em you have to go " ok you cover me untill i get to there then i will cover you untill you get to that sand bag" and so on
Smoke Grenades are useless even if there is a slight wind because all that nicly made smoke has now been blown away
they are only usefull if there is practically no wind what so ever
and knowing the detail of RO they will have to add wind in to move to the
and I dont think most people's computers would handle this without exptreme lag
Anyway its better without smoke it means you need to think a way through a place instead of just goin "hmm mg eh???.... i think SMOKE GRENADE!"
COD and DOD have em but i wouldnt say those games are that good..... so we shouldnt copy em
without em you have to go " ok you cover me untill i get to there then i will cover you untill you get to that sand bag" and so on
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I don't think wind needs to be included into the engine, i mean on Cod it looked pretty good and was useful without wind. I think we could include it without wind.
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[5.SS]Strother said:
Yeah, the STUG, tripwire choose to have the rare stug ingame instead of the most common one, so yeah...
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The difference is, if the player choses MP41 over MP40, it makes zero difference in game-play terms. Plus, the MP41 was already semi-complete, that's why it went in.
Smoke grenades get a no from this Strelok.
(and CoD single player wasn't bad, it was just action-movie-esque)
Smoke grenades get a no from this Strelok.
(and CoD single player wasn't bad, it was just action-movie-esque
)
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In real life smoke grenades are at least somewhat effective. I have played in a enough paintball scenario games to tell you that even if there is wind smoke does help mask movement.
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Ok now that we covered the historical aspects, lets go over gameplay.
First off, there will always people who smoke their own teammates for giggles even if you did limit the smoke grenades. 2nd, smoke tells the enemy where you are at, if You've ever played WW2ol you will know that smoke IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. I've only seen smoke work twice in ww2ol and it was ograsmic. But that was twice in 5 months of playing. 3rd. Smoke attracts grenades especially in city maps. For example on Odessa, if the russians tossed a smoke near the tower, what do you think the germans will do? They will throw more grenades then you've ever seen in your life, if you don't believe thats true you have no clue what you are talking about.
Basically the benefit of smoke is small, and it would only lead to gameyness, complaints, tks, mayhem, and a basic degeneration of realism.
First off, there will always people who smoke their own teammates for giggles even if you did limit the smoke grenades. 2nd, smoke tells the enemy where you are at, if You've ever played WW2ol you will know that smoke IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. I've only seen smoke work twice in ww2ol and it was ograsmic. But that was twice in 5 months of playing. 3rd. Smoke attracts grenades especially in city maps. For example on Odessa, if the russians tossed a smoke near the tower, what do you think the germans will do? They will throw more grenades then you've ever seen in your life, if you don't believe thats true you have no clue what you are talking about.
Basically the benefit of smoke is small, and it would only lead to gameyness, complaints, tks, mayhem, and a basic degeneration of realism.
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