Killing Floor 2 Winter Beta is Live! Read the Changelog here.

[Yoshiro]

Winter is coming!

 

[Migunne]

F*** YEAH ! Finally Beta 1 when its almost December xD Ty TW You made me to suffer cos no beta at the beginning of this month xD

 

[Yoshiro]

F*** YEAH ! Finally Beta 1 when its almost December xD Ty TW You made me to suffer cos no beta at the beginning of this month xD

Krampus comes for the children who aren't well behaved!

 

[Milan]

You are probably already working on this, but the ballistic bouncer sometimes doesn't inflict any damage? Rubber balls just delfect off zeds. Sometimes it shoots backwards? I literally don't know whats going on when i use it and i die quickly. Sometimes i don't know if im even shooting. Same goes for zed mk 3, it just feels like gun doesn't even shoot, projectiles are barely visible, i don't see them clearly, as well as rockets. Really confusing visually

 

[Yoshiro]

You are probably already working on this, but the ballistic bouncer sometimes doesn't inflict any damage? Rubber balls just delfect off zeds. Sometimes it shoots backwards? I literally don't know whats going on when i use it and i die quickly. Sometimes i don't know if im even shooting. Same goes for zed mk 3, it just feels like gun doesn't even shoot, projectiles are barely visible, i don't see them clearly, as well as rockets. Really confusing visually

Do you have any video of this happening and can you drop it in bug reports if you haven't?

 

[OnionBubs]

The Storm Cannon currently:

• applies EMP
• stuns around 3rd or 4th shot for all takedowns without Ballistic Shock, and yes, that includes Fleshpounds
• kills both Scrakes and FPs with 6 headshots assuming no prior ReU stacks (mag size of 8)
• flinchlocks raged Fleshpounds with each shot and slows them down as a result
  
  • please tell me this is some sort of bug, because good lord
• hits nearby enemies with a lightning blast like Matriarch's Tesla Blast on decap
• one-shots Husks and below

The only current thing not in its favor is that it's not hitscan, but the projectile is one of the faster ones in the game so that doesn't really matter as much.

 

[Fanta]

Hopefully it's the last update

 

[FrostyJx]

OMG I loved Crash in KF1 and the Zed Eradication Device MKIII looks so ****! Can't wait for the update to come out

 

[Kmn483]

The Doshinegun changes are amazing! It's actually a decent backup weapon on Sharp given its knockback, and is now better than an off-perk mp5!

 

[KitanoV PrO]

HRG Ballistic Bouncer ----> nerf who **** got idea to put high amount of damage with weight 5 and has abilty to be upgrade 2x time hahaha **** vanila mind the game become more and more easy becuase of this **** weapons

 

[Psyk0tik]

The HRG Medic Missile needs some kind of buff in terms of healing. Its current damage stats are okay for a Medic weapon (but obviously terrible for an RPG), but the player should still have a way to heal others even when they run out of rockets, like adding an alt-fire mode to shoot darts but make the recharge time longer than other weapons. With how it currently is, there's no advantage to using it over weapons like the HRG Incision, Hemogoblin, and HRG Healthrower, which all have alt-fire darts that don't require ammo.

One way to buff it is to apply 3 stacks of buffs with 1 rocket and make it fully heal the target - this goes inline with the idea that it's supposed to do sudden bursts of healing since there's no lingering gas after the explosion, it takes longer to reload than other weapons, and you can only load 1 rocket at a time. You can keep the arming distance since it seems to be a way to balance the weapon in terms of preventing Medics from healing themselves and easily getting out of tight spots.

 

[Witch of Certainty]

Still no Locust and Resilience nerf. Booooo.

 

[Aleflippy]

Still no Locust and Resilience nerf. Booooo.

And that's absolutely baffling. The ridiculous power of the Locust has been the main topic of the past few months, and probably the only one where the whole community agrees something needs to be done

The HRG Medic Missile needs some kind of buff in terms of healing. Its current damage stats are okay for a Medic weapon (but obviously terrible for an RPG), but the player should still have a way to heal others even when they run out of rockets, like adding an alt-fire mode to shoot darts but make the recharge time longer than other weapons. With how it currently is, there's no advantage to using it over weapons like the HRG Incision, Hemogoblin, and HRG Healthrower, which all have alt-fire darts that don't require ammo.

One way to buff it is to apply 3 stacks of buffs with 1 rocket and make it fully heal the target - this goes inline with the idea that it's supposed to do sudden bursts of healing since there's no lingering gas after the explosion, it takes longer to reload than other weapons, and you can only load 1 rocket at a time. You can keep the arming distance since it seems to be a way to balance the weapon in terms of preventing Medics from healing themselves and easily getting out of tight spots.

I don't know man... Multiple medic weapons don't have any "unlimited" way to guarantee healing. The Hemoclobber, HMtech-501 and Mine Reconstructor are good examples of that.

From the get-go, I thought the Medic Missile would be a quirky weapon to use. It's very difficult to make it a primary weapon, and while it works for the demo (considering its job is mostly to get rid of tough opponents quickly), a medic that's meant to support its team will have a bad time with such a gun. It fires a single rocket before reloading... Except its role is NOT to kill big zeds, so it really feels underwhelming as a result. Sure, it could AT LEAST provide great healing to make up for it... But that's yet another topic that's hard to tackle : if it heals too much in too wide of an area, it's basically a "get-out-of-jail-free" card whenever things get tough. But if it's too weak (as you mentioned), why would you pick it up in the first place instead of a more versatile tool?

Fully healing the target is an absolute no. You'd totally nullify a tough situation by getting your whole team back to start.

I feel like it's yet another of those weapons that just can't ever win : it was a shitty idea to begin with.

 

[simplecat]

DOT of Medic Missile is weak, only doing 20 toxic damage / tick with total of 3-4 ticks. I think it needs increased duration, damage type change from toxic to bleeding and replacement of poison power with bleeding power so it would do full damage to all kind of ZEDs and also debuff them.

And its minimum arm distance akin to rpg7 should be removed so you could heal yourself and kill ZEDs when cornered.

 

[Aleflippy]

Okay, here's some feedback since I've tried some of the thing on offer ! (The review for the HV Storm and the ZED MKIII, as well as the weekly, will come later on)

-Crash : I think I like this map the same way I like Spillway or Rig : they are quite simple, with an easy layout that makes for something you understand very quickly. I really like the train crash, even if it's a similar trope to "Black Forest". Overall a pretty slick map, that I would probably like even more without the Xmas decoration.

-I really dig the new achievements for this event ! It feels like you actually listened and tried to come up with something different. I do believe killing 500 FROZEN zeds is a bit too much... You often kill them before you get to chance to freeze them solid. I believe killing zeds using "ice" weaponry or lowering the amount would be nice (250-300 would be much better). The opposite is true for the achievement asking you to kill two zeds with a single shot 30 times... I managed to do it in a single game.

-I can't believe I'm saying that in this day and age but... Buff the Medic Missile? It's actually hilarious how BAD this weapon is, especially considering its price. Taking three rockets to kill a Scrake with all right-skills picked up as a high-level medic is just unacceptable. You should AT LEAST increase the blast radius so you can use it reliably against larger groups of zeds. Because right now, it's merely a healing tool... That's as expensive as a T4.

-Would you believe it? The Ballistic Bouncer is the exact opposite! It really feels like you tried to give competition to the Locust. It's inexpensive (cheaper than a T3), fairly light (5kg!), quite generous in reserve ammo, BLOODY POWERFUL and it charges up freaking fast as well. Being able to reliably decapitate a Scrake with a single shot as a mid-tier Support (level 13) without any upgrade is insane. Being able to decapitate a fleshpound with a single shot once you upgrade the Bouncer is even crazier. And it's obviously quite nasty in corridors.This gun really has it all, except maybe some accuracy (and even then : it's fairly easy to predict the arc). It's just WAY TOO GOOD. If anything, I believe it should at least charge up slower, and definitely don't do as much damage on headshots. I also don't really get why it's a Support weapon, but I must admit it's mad funny to lob bowling balls at zeds, especially when you kill 2-3 of them with the same projectile.

-The Z.E.D. Mk.III is one of the most bonkers weapons you've ever done and that's quite the prowess in a game that has the Kaboomstick, Locust and the likes. But don't get me wrong... It's good stuff. It's probably the best "lmg" in the game right now, far above the minigun and stoner. It melts through everything and is massively fun too. All balanced by its weight, cumbersome use and price. I have a few nitpicks though :
1) It even bullies bosses easily... As a solo suicidal player, I can take down most bosses in a SINGLE MAG. That's just way too much and I believe the gun could use a lower mag size to prevent cleaning everything under it's suppressive fire. A capacity of 50/60 would be far better. Especially considering you can make use of your skills to kill Scrakes and FPs reliably too.
2) The radar is a pure gadget. I don't even know if it works because I never look at it. I mean... It doesn't hurt to have it, but I really see it as pure legacy rather than a useful tool. I just got used to be wary of my surroundings.
3) There's a bloody annoying bug that just keeps playing the firing sound forever. And I do mean forever : selling the weapon, playing another perk, going back to the main menu... It just keeps looping ! And as much as I like that rattling sounds that makes you feel like a chainsaw maniac, it just gets tiring pretty quickly.

-The new weekly is exactly how I pictured it would, that's to say very boring. It would work in a regular multiplayer shooter, but not in KF2 where the game is divided in waves and where you don't respawn after a few seconds. In a game like TF2, where "randomizer" is a thing, that's thrilling. In KF2... It just amounts to switching your weapon after every wave. And considering a good chunk of us are veterans by now, we probably know how to play every perk at least decently. I do like the idea of harder waves however (like when the stalkers and crawlers are spawning at Wave 1 !)

Also also... Does anyone have any idea how you're supposed to score those four "boomstick jumps" ? I kept wasting shots at my feet while jumping, thinking it would count but it doesn't...

 

[Anapa]

Sniper is my main and favorite perk, and I can safely say that the new rifle needs to be nerfed. And it is desirable to completely remove from it the ability to kill and stop several zeds. She is able to stop any angry zed, this is already too big a plus. Some bosses, like the Abomination, just twitch and don't move when they're shot at, long enough to reload and stop her again. For example, I suggest one of the following:
1) Leave the characteristics as they are, but increase the weight by 1kg, this will put it on a par with the railgun and it will become a new heavy weapon and will not allow you to buy the M14. Also slightly reduce the amount of ammo.
2) Remove the ability to stop more than 1 zed, and it is also desirable to remove the chain damage after the shot so that neighboring large zeds do not get angry. There is an idea to completely change the mechanics of weapons: When killing with a headshot, an explosion will occur, stunning nearby zeds (as a skill for a survivalist)
I liked this weapon, but if something is not done with it, then I will remove it from my server, just like the locust, kaboomstick, frost fang, thermite and hrg dragonsblaze.

 

[Anton_Commando]

Now just tear off the animator's hands...

 

[Psyk0tik]

I don't know man... Multiple medic weapons don't have any "unlimited" way to guarantee healing. The Hemoclobber, HMtech-501 and Mine Reconstructor are good examples of that.

From the get-go, I thought the Medic Missile would be a quirky weapon to use. It's very difficult to make it a primary weapon, and while it works for the demo (considering its job is mostly to get rid of tough opponents quickly), a medic that's meant to support its team will have a bad time with such a gun. It fires a single rocket before reloading... Except its role is NOT to kill big zeds, so it really feels underwhelming as a result. Sure, it could AT LEAST provide great healing to make up for it... But that's yet another topic that's hard to tackle : if it heals too much in too wide of an area, it's basically a "get-out-of-jail-free" card whenever things get tough. But if it's too weak (as you mentioned), why would you pick it up in the first place instead of a more versatile tool?

Fully healing the target is an absolute no. You'd totally nullify a tough situation by getting your whole team back to start.

I feel like it's yet another of those weapons that just can't ever win : it was a shitty idea to begin with.

Yeah, you make a fair argument. I do want to correct you though about the Hemoclobber since the primary fire does allow you to heal teammates by whacking them.

My original post was aiming more towards the "give us a reason to use this bad weapon" mentality. I didn't want to suggest buffing the damage because that would just encourage combat medics by giving them an on-perk weapon to "solo" with in multiplayer that actually packs a punch. That's why I suggested a buff toward the healing aspect instead, since that's literally all it has going for it. If it's going to be a clone of the RPG-7 with the only difference being that it can heal players, then buffing the healing aspect while keeping the weak damage stats would compensate for the slow reload, high price, and painful ineffectiveness that it currently has. It doesn't need to heal very fast, but it can at least make players regenerate all the way back to full health, since it currently doesn't have lingering gas to heal anyone for a few seconds. With how it currently is, the weapon is just a terrible choice in every aspect.

Now that I've had more time to think about it, I guess the only change that can be done to save this weapon without making it OP/broken is to remove the arming distance, which has already been suggested by several people.

Also also... Does anyone have any idea how you're supposed to score those four "boomstick jumps" ? I kept wasting shots at my feet while jumping, thinking it would count but it doesn't...

Look for plywood with scorch marks. There are 5 total all over the map. You must successfully land on all the ledges after making each jump for the counter to go up.

 

[Aleflippy]

Yeah, you make a fair argument. I do want to correct you though about the Hemoclobber since the primary fire does allow you to heal teammates by whacking them.

My original post was aiming more towards the "give us a reason to use this bad weapon" mentality. I didn't want to suggest buffing the damage because that would just encourage combat medics by giving them an on-perk weapon to "solo" with in multiplayer that actually packs a punch. That's why I suggested a buff toward the healing aspect instead, since that's literally all it has going for it. If it's going to be a clone of the RPG-7 with the only difference being that it can heal players, then buffing the healing aspect while keeping the weak damage stats would compensate for the slow reload, high price, and painful ineffectiveness that it currently has. It doesn't need to heal very fast, but it can at least make players regenerate all the way back to full health, since it currently doesn't have lingering gas to heal anyone for a few seconds. With how it currently is, the weapon is just a terrible choice in every aspect.

Now that I've had more time to think about it, I guess the only change that can be done to save this weapon without making it OP/broken is to remove the arming distance, which has already been suggested by several people.

Yeah, that's fair enough. I do agree the arming distance should be removed... But the blast radius should also be increased a little. I believe that's the main idea behind the weapon : healing multiple teammates easily and quickly, at the price of having many flaws on your gun (low damage, expensive, having to reload after every shot etc.). As it stands, your mates pretty much have to hug each other to benefit from the healing... I'm not asking for a rocket that covers half the map, but being able to reliably heal 2-3 people at once should be paramount to make the weapon at least good at something.

Look for plywood with scorch marks. There are 5 total all over the map. You must successfully land on all the ledges after making each jump for the counter to go up.

I don't think I would have ever guessed ! Then again, I never managed to open that damn door in the previous event so I'm probably not very good at noticing things.

Thanks a lot !