Killing Floor 2 State of the Game 2020 By Product Director David Amata

[Bluntman420]

Fix the webadmin debacle.

 

[Bluntman420]

Aside from the frost fang, this update is mediocre. I can’t believe y’all followed up a quality map in hellmark with such a bad map in elysium. I’d rather y’all not release content if you’re not going to put out quality work. Just take more vacation time.

 

[TheMersodusGames]

If only the official map was the ship of the space pirates, if only.

 

[Humam2104]

Well, why create a survey when you're not going to do anything that pleases players anyways?
You're not doing any rework, you're not balancing the perks, you're not fixing the difficulty scaling in coop, you're not creating new maps, you're not creating a new story mode, you're not creating new objectives, you're not listening to the players' ideas and suggestions, you're not fixing the Boss issues (Abomination insta deaths), you're not caring about new players' opinions, you're not introducing cheaper DLCs, you're not whitelisting mods (CD or True solo etc), you're not nerfing the matriarch, you're not fixing the aim assist, you're not fixing the VS Mode, you're not fixing the empty servers with ghost players, you're not fixing the game crashes (Bugsplat), and you're not improving the gameplay combat system.

I don't care if you introduce a 100 HRG weapons, I just don't care and won't consider them as UPDATES. and the DLC weapons are just weapons that fix the aspects of the badly designed perks so they're playable (Riot Shield and G18C, HRG Arc generator, HRG Nailgun, HRG Incision)

Just give up on the game and let us mod it the way we want because you're not doing a good job and we don't need these updates anyways. I've played on Elysium 2 months ago on an Endless HOE match and don't really need it in the game.

 

[Wizard_Of_Odds]

This was probably the worst update by far (besides the buff for survivalist and for the seal squeal) It just seems like no effort is put into it at all. The map is kinda trash and everyone else agrees. It's also not even a Christmas themed map. Oh and for the love of god stop coming out with more HRG and reskins. We need better updates like fixing bugs, lowering the microtranstions (seriously $10 for the weapon wtf... not even free to play games charge that much), making the difficulty harder, buffing weak perks, fixing the bosses, fixing the zed teleportation, bringing back the old objective mode from Killing floor 1 (this KF2 obj mode is absolutely horrible compare to KF1's), buff Kingflesh pound and Abomination, get rid of those EDARS, Seriously it doesn't suit the game at all it just seems very out of place and the trappers are very annoying, This is suppose to be a flesh eating mutated zombie game, not fighting robots . Overall people have been complaining about these issues for years YEARS and yet you guys do nothing about it to prove the game. You want more money and more players? START LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY. No instead you like to pick and choose who to listen to and usually it's for stupid **** like another HRG weapon or reskin. The only thing you guys really did was buff 1 or 2 weapons and a perk..

 

[Deleted member 87733]

this game is out dated and almost dead on consoles. its time for a change with the new gen. You guys can do so much better with the PS5 and Xbox and to hear another year for a KF2 is just dumb founded, and the prices for the items is way too much, especially with whats happening in the world.

 

[Multihog]

1. Fix the overpowered perks: berserker, medic, and gunslinger. Seriously, focus on game balance. There's a lot to improve.

2. Stop the difficulty from scaling down on Hell on Earth if players die, or introduce a new Hell on Earth+ mode where this does not happen. It should not be potentially beneficial to have players die.

3. Lower the weapon bundle prices if you want someone to actually buy them. I would've bought them all if they were reasonably priced, such as 5€ for a bundle of two weapons, or 2.5€ per gun. At the current price, I will buy none of them instead.

 

[hegyeri]

Unfortunately today's game development generation does not listen to the player society and never further develop games as desired.
This is true for most game developers (not just TWI).
No need for useless weapons to pack the game every 3 months, it creates weapons that don't fit the given perk, and just transforms an old gun with new skin.

Create 1 bigger upgrade per year which should always include a new perk that will have 4-5 weapons which is enough for one perk because you can't use more than 2.
Take an example from the kf1 mod makers, there are several servers where 15-20 perk located
They can maintain the interest of the players because they bring meaningful content from time to time
Why TWI can't do that....pathetic
Only the worse than worse content of the paid dlc (at a very high price) the reskin weapons, does not fix game bugs that players report
not to mention the webadmin correction...
1. Complete transformation of combat medic, eliminate solo skills, currently the medic does not cure teammates because he gains more xp if he kills the zed
2. Eliminate multiperk weapons because it has rendered perk abilities useless
3. Cancel Survivalist perk, because it is a useless perk, and create new perks instead (one per year)
Some example:

• Snowbug, Icebug or Frostbug© (move all the frost weapons in the game here)
• Engineer (move all the electric discharge weapons in the game here)
• Heavy gunner (move Stoner 63A LMG and minigun and creat new)
• and many other...

4. Remove the all robots and create a new ZED instead
Some example:

• frost zed
• teleporter zed
• poison zed
• and many other...

5. Fix the current bugs that players report.

I suggest you remove this news because it will only upset experienced players you don't listen to

 

[Aze]

I'm ok with the new weapons and maps. In fact, I like them, generally - hell, I even thoroughly enjoy most of the HRG weapons!

But sadly, I can't help to be disappointed overall though.

Mainly because of the continued lack of THOROUGH BALANCING. You really, REALLY need to focus your efforts on the balance in this game, as it is rather horrendous! (I even tried to help you, but you've not even done like 1% of the ideas I gave you here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Qyj67DLXTHl6v2S0yhEgOjglMv21N2sIjr5TJp9pJDE/edit#gid=0 - and as this link's many suggestions show you, this game has ENORMOUS list of balancing issues)
There's so many talents (or as you call them "perk skills") that are utterly useless;

• Some do NOTHING if you don't have enough dosh (like max ammo)
• Some only affect certain weapons of the perk. For example: Magsize don't do anything for a bunch of shotguns/underslung options (instead of giving them elite reloads on the magsize option to make that choice fully viable) - Acid Rounds don't do anything for Healthrower or Incision's altfire - Firestorm only affects like 3 guns for Firebug - This list goes on and on and on...)
• Some are clear non-choices (Hmmm Heat Wave is really powerful and works for all Firebug weapons, or I could choose the Firestorm which is not only weak, but also only works for a couple of guns. What to pick? >_>)
• Some go againt the perk's philosophy (Like Survivalist, the jack-of-all-trades, yet STILL having the weapon-limitting options on level 5's both options, 10's both options, 20's rightside option and arguably even at 15 due to the forced grenade "morphs").
• Damage shouldn't compete versus utility, as damage always wins in this game if you want to play to win on the higher difficulties. Make damage compete with damage. And utility vs utility.
• Some options even have the bottom-of-the-barrel useage of only being useful when spawning in (like SWAT's leftside choices on level 5, 10 and 20)?!

Come ON already! Numbers isn't the issue here, but the entire CHOICES in themselves. You NEED to redesign many talents from the ground up, not just tweak their values.

Also, you've introduced 3 HRG options for Medic, but 0 for Commando and Sharpshooter. That's just clearly biased.

Then there's boring "difficulty" like zed teleportation and spawnrage.

Sigh...

Also, I'm really sad that there's no more PERKS! The Urban Ninja (agile midrange/melee heavyhitter with exotic weapons like kusarigama, naginata, shuriken and whatnot - it's easy to get creative here) and Scientist (offensive debuffing support which takes on the role of using the "scifi" guns, instead of Survivalist) would totally be able to invigorate the game easily for another couple of years, but it's obviously something you wouldn't put effort into now, as this game very quickly faded into a cashcow, sadly. I just feel so disappointed.

 

[simplecat]

Hey, i'm angry too (for no significant reason though)
Can you shake up your support team, just slightly. Can't get a response for 6 months now.

Good to hear that KF2 will be getting more support in 2021.

 

[KF1IsLife]

During this year i was really hoping for some changes in how maps feel. I remember in KF1 how each map would have some specific lore behind it, like Wyre for the creation of stalkers, or how we venture down in biosticslab to try stop the production of zeds. Each map (most of them) would feel different. Either with a more cheerful, happy and fun vibes (Christmas maps), more horrid, spooky maps like Bedlam. All of the KF2 maps feel the same

In this sense kf2 ends up feeling like an arcade shooter, not a story-told, team-game with horror and gore. The introduction of robots also killed it for me. No longer a monster/clone theme.

Further notes.
- Maybe different audio for different maps?
- Something even harder than HoE?

 

[Aleflippy]

Wow. I wasn't expecting such a massive uproar... Did I inspire some people? Was the year that bad for everyone? Or maybe are we all fed up by that point?

I won't have time to react to everyone's message individually (although I'd love to : studies are taking much of my time now, hence why I don't partake in the forum activities nearly as often as I used to). So instead I'll just say that I agree with the general consensus, and I genuinely hope that Tripwire will finally come to realize it.

Reading the OP made me furious. Because it really feels like either you're a bunch of hypocrites, pretending to please the crowd while obviously ignoring our pleads and advice. Or you do read everything posted to the forums and simply choose not to care? Or third option : you're being sincere, and scarily delusional at the same time. And I don't know which one of these three options would be the best... or worst.

I think any gamer would rejoice learning that his favorite game will get some more support for a whole extra year. And yet, all the comments so far have been negative... How so? Maybe it is time to learn the right lessons. I won't speak for everyone, but I'm personally tired of explaining.

At a point, it would be wise to either call it quits. No offense. It's perfectly fine for a studio to drop the mic and work on new things. Or reaaaally shake the whole formula. Because at that point we're not merely asking for tweaks... It a full-on rehaul that is needed.

Honestly Tripwire, no matter how nicely you sugarcoat the whole thing : promising the exact same stuff for yet another year is NOT exciting. It actually feels like an insult. Because we've been spending the past few months discussing, debating, proposing, brainstorming, testing many, MANY things. Only to get hit by a faceslap that says "we don't care, we'll do it our own way. The same we've been doing for years"

If the money keeps rolling, then good for you. But I think you lost the respect of many people on that one.

 

[Humam2104]

"we don't care, we'll do it our own way. The same we've been doing for years"

Exactly!

 

[Kittenmittens]

Hey, i'm angry too (for no significant reason though)
Can you shake up your support team, just slightly. Can't get a response for 6 months now.

Good to hear that KF2 will be getting more support in 2021.

We very recently added to support staff. They are doing a great job of clearing our large backlog of tickets but if it's that old, may want to write up a new one and include the ticket number of the original for reference.

 

[simplecat]

We very recently added to support staff. They are doing a great job of clearing our large backlog of tickets but if it's that old, may want to write up a new one and include the ticket number of the original for reference.

That's good to hear. This team does good job, indeed. I already got my issue resolved just a few days ago, thank you I probably should've edited my OP.

 

[fwfdf1reman]

Like I said before and I will say it again, "Never, ever a Tripwire product again!"