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Punkbuster and the Steam Overlay

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#21
Kleist said:
Oh I hate PB...

I have BFBC2, too, i have donwload the new version and update it for BFBC2.
But everytime a get kicked by PB for losing Keypackets...

So i am really shocked to hear that RO2 Server would be able to use PB, too :(

Or is there any trick for using PB without any kicks for nothing?
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okay this is because you have to manually update your punk buster. you can do that at there site. (PUNKBUSTER HOMEPAGE) just update your game and you'll be playing in no time. yes its annoying but it does work if they hadn't removed the screenshot tool and a few other things it might even work better. :(

hackers have figured out many ways around punkbuster so its pretty much just an annoyance for those who don't hack. :(:(:( also a side note the only game ive had to disable the steam overlay to get ot work was Cod:WaW, the steam overlay works fine in bfbc2.
 
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#23
Kleist said:
Oh I hate PB...

I have BFBC2, too, i have donwload the new version and update it for BFBC2.
But everytime a get kicked by PB for losing Keypackets...

So i am really shocked to hear that RO2 Server would be able to use PB, too :(

Or is there any trick for using PB without any kicks for nothing?
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Losing key packets means that your PB is not allowed in your firewall. Even with your firewall off, it would still kick you. You need to set PnkBstrA and PnkBstrB to "Allow" in your firewall to stop that kick.
 
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#24
REZ said:
Well I ran some searches on TeamSpeak 3 overlay and PunkBuster and it seems, from my search results, that you'll be flagged as a cheater if you use it.

The PBBans crew doesnt seem to have an opinion on it and refers people to EvenBalance - [URL="http://www.pbbans.com/forums/ts3-plugin-and-punkbuster-t141982.html"][URL="http://www.pbbans.com/forums/ts3-plugin-and-punkbuster-t141982.html"][URL="http://www.pbbans.com/forums/ts3-plugin-and-punkbuster-t141982.html"][URL="http://www.pbbans.com/forums/ts3-plugin-and-punkbuster-t141982.html"][url]http://www.pbbans.com/forums/ts3-plugin-and-punkbuster-t141982.html[/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]

I then went to the EvenBalance website to see if there was some kind of forum or email where I could get a definitive answer from the company itself.. their website has neither a forum nor any other way to contact them with questions unless you're a 'licensed user' of PunkBuster - [URL="http://ssl.evenbalance.com/troubleticket/"][URL="http://ssl.evenbalance.com/troubleticket/"][URL="http://ssl.evenbalance.com/troubleticket/"][URL="http://ssl.evenbalance.com/troubleticket/"][url]http://ssl.evenbalance.com/troubleticket/[/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL] . There is an email address for reporting hacks, but no email for simple questions.

So, if this is the case, as it seems like it is, that I won't be able to use a TeamSpeak 3 overlay or a Ventrillo overlay without being branded a cheater, then I'll be sticking to VAC only servers. No biggie.
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We didn't have any problem with TS2 or Vent overlay in the 'old' days. Some screenshots would cause some concern, but these were quickly put to rest. However, times have changed and hacks more sophisticated so they may have chosen to close some hooks. I would imagine that if TS or Vent produced and supported their own overlays, then EB may reconsider. But I just don't see how EB could possibly keep up with new builds and versions of independently produced overlay programs.
 
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#26
REZ said:
Yeah, there is a built in overlay in TS3 that I use all the time, it isnt a seperate prog.. from what I've read, PB will ban you for running this. Ventrilo also has an overlay and I would assume PB will have a problem with that too..
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PB is not gonna ban you for a teamspeak, vent , or steam over lay.
youll just get kicked untill you shut them off.

we have made bigger sacrifices in the past that did nothing to slow down cheating .. pure servers for example ... that did nothing to slow down cheating and got rid of all the custom gun skins .. scopes ect.

cheating is that bad .. you cant have a online tourny anymore cause its that bad

im am affriad you guys will learn how bad it is before this is all over
watch that community ban list at PBbans. i bet you see some names on there. that will shock ya

ive seen mod makers, forum admin.s , map makers ect.
r0dger was a cod map maker he got banned cuase he is a hacking POS
then he got a job at infintyward
 
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#28
HellBilly said:
PB is not gonna ban you for a teamspeak, vent , or steam over lay.
youll just get kicked untill you shut them off.
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Yes, you're right.. I shouldnt have used the word 'ban'. You will be 'kicked' when you use the Teamspeak 3 and Ventrilo overlays (not the Steam overlay as Ramm has mentioned, they are working in-house with EvenBalance to fix that one).

In any case, being kicked means I cant play the game until I turn off the overlay.. which, as I said, is okay with me because I'm perfectly happy with VAC alone. No worries :cool:.
 
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#30
i think there is alot of unnessasry fear with PB
if you have a problem or need help with punkbuster ask
if you need help with opening your firewall ask .. dont be embarrassed
PC are complicated

ask here or at pbbans.com

ask yourself this will PB be required for tournys??
you bet it will .. thats because it works
 
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#31
HellBilly said:
cheating is that bad .. you cant have a online tourny anymore cause its that bad
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Not sure which game you're talking about but online tourneys, cups and ladders are very much alive in most games, especially in CS 1.6, Quake series, Cod 1-4 with a ton of support both online and for lan tourneys. Starcraft is eating up more of the lan events now though, it used to be dominated by 1.6

As for Infinity Ward which by the way is a huge joke.. I used to be a mapper from Cod2, Cod4 and it was quite the treat when they all of a suddenly turned off their entire mapping/community which back then had a quite impressive crowd and followers.
IW abandoned their true fanbase and PC crowd a long time ago with development of MW2 when Grant Collier left the company. (remember this: ‪Call of Duty 4 -- PC vs. Console Interview‬‏ - YouTube before they got big headed.. )

Cheating is and always will be a problem, there will be no definite solution just as there will always be bank robbers as long as there is money. What we can do is enhance and make it difficult for them and in the long run swoop out all the wannabe hackers while a few of the "clever" once remain.

If you've PB and/or VAC plus streaming and some active admins then you'll rarely see a cheater.
 
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#35
The more I think of PB, the more worried I become. What if I accidentally go into a server with PB at the highest level, and I am kicked/banned because "I cheated" (having Steam Overlay enabled or accessed). Will this ban my entire Steam account and lock all of my paid for games?

I've used PB before in other games (typically it is problematic), but never a Steam game before. PB has kicked me for no reason in many of these games (Crysis Wars, BF2, ect.). I just hope the random PB kicking won't lock my Steam account...
 
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#39
ElPresidente said:
@Flogger23m
as [TW]schneidzekk already said:
Steam won't ban you, the only thing that can happen, is that Punkbuster kicks you for something like the "steam overlay" (It does that at many PB games).
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That is a relive. I was just worried about Valve's zero tolerance policy in regards to cheating. :p If there is a filter option to filter out servers with PB I will do that. All but 1 of the 4-5 games that use PB have given me troubles and I'd rather avoid them. I can't remember the last time I've seen cheating in RO1 either.
 
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#40
[TW]schneidzekk said:
Steam and PB are not connected. And even if they would be: Why would Steam ban you for using a Steam service?
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Good point.

Our community will probably end up using VAC + PB regular. If PB regular causes too many issues, it'll get turned off and we'll rely on active admins to ban the hackers and VAC to keep them out of any other servers in the future.

Now I never admined a server on RO before, but I have on the source engine, RV engines (OFP, ArmA, ArmA 2) and KF.

Is RO2 going to be similar to KF in ways of admin. What I mean by this is Web interface + ingame? If so, that'd be great. I'm also sure somebody will eventually make a 3rd party system in the likes of Sourcemod+Metamod:Source.
 
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