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  • The prosecution and the ban by the TWIL.

    Good evening,

    (and first, sorry by advance, for my bad english lvl)

    I'm Eralorn, one of the leader of =TFD=, since fews years, a new team that appeared during the Bolt Cup tournament. I am since yesterday banned from TWIL. I wanted to show my disagreement and disappointment of all of my team for this. I'll tell the story, and how things are gone.

    I am a player without history. I have never been banned by VAC, or by any anti-cheat software. I run a community for years, I am an editor, a writer and an events organizer. But as the staff of the TWIL told me; "who cares, you're a cheater!".

    After the last game of the tournament, I learned indirectly that I was accused of having used a Wallhack during all my teams matches. I kept my composure, knowing myself innocent and I followed the procedure. I thought while TWIL was unbiased. I was wrong. From the beginning, I have not been suspected, but was considered guilty. In France, in our country, an accused is presumed innocent, not guilty.

    The TWIL organized a meeting with my partners, Baal, Sacha, and LeBrun. I was not invited to that meeting. What for ? I don't know. Supposed evidence were presented. This meeting was a sham trial, worthy of the great Stalinist trials. My friends could speak, but with a knife to their throat. The technique was simple; "confess that he is a cheater, and then we will have a confession." Unfortunately, my friends were determined and fought hard. It was quite a setback for TWIL ....

    Following this, the TWIL would normally hold another meeting. I was to be invited there. But nothing! The TWIL banish me just yesterday, not allowing me to defend myself....

    Now about the supposed evidence. I have been called a cheater, because shooting through smoke. This prompts me to wonder if the TWIL knows how to play Red Orchestra 2. Any veteran player will tell you that it is possible to track a player you saw back in the smoke, OR you heard his character speak. Or even that your team has given you his position ... etc. The possibilities are many. In fact, I have not had the right to defend myself, and no matter the defense of my team, I was guilty!

    Finally, I was condemned by TWIL. I was sentenced, whereas in many games, I had very poor results. How a cheater may have bad results? And now attention, TWIL tell you that I am an intelligent computer, the devil incarnate!

    Fortunately, we have learned that the TWIL had already condemned players without reasons. We had our conscience for us. The TWIL is a corrupt organization, which crushes new small teams trying to break into the middle of this elite community. That's not my personnal thinking, but of all the TFD.

    What the TWIL did not realize was that their evidence is not valid. Nobody in the TFD has believed for one second to their supposed evidence. We have not dropped the case, and I paid the price. I was sentenced by the TWIL without evidence, by software that does not show the zoom of the weapon, and which does not reconstitute smoke the same way that the day of the game. I was condemned as a cheater, while my game files were intact, and no anti-cheat software expelled me from the party. They will tell you that Punkbuster and Vac are bad anti-cheats, and it is impossible to detect in 2015 a Wallhack on RO2! Long live for the Middle Ages. The world of TWIL is a strange world. It is a world where the TFD does not have their place ...

    Because yes. Strangely enough, I am supported by my entire team RO2, and all of my community, all games combined. It is that there is a problem somewhere right?

    What shame on them. This message will be sent to Tripwire Interactive, and other people who can defend myself honorably. In waiting, I wish you a lot of courage to TWIL you to continue to let die your community, to the benefit of other community, which opens its doors with friendship and kindness. Do not expect us to drop the case. And count on us to bring this issue as far as possible ...

    With all due respect, failing to have yours.
    = TFD = Eralorn
    Team leader of the RO2 Team
    Co-leader of the War Thunder Team
    Co-leader of the =TFD= Entire Community

  • #2
    Sympathies for the situation. I wish the procedure was more open, evidence for these situations should be 120% solid and therefore could be shown publicly with clear explanations, I imagine. Unfortunately this is not the first time people have to kind of take on trust that the RO2 demos are 100+% accurate, but atleast the demos used for the verdict are given for view.

    e. altought it does seem I for one don't have access to them. dammit
    e2. Watched on youtube.. Im not convinced of the validity of the ban, to say the least.
    Last edited by Finalize; 10-26-2015, 02:55 PM.

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    • #3
      Sincere thanks from all =TFD= for your sympathies and your good feelings. Sincere thanks. See you on the battlefield soldier!

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      • #4
        Good evening,

        I'm surprised by the announcement and the result that was made yesterday about a TFD member, Eralorn. So , after I was told that he was suspected of using a wallhack during the tournament, a month ago, we agreed with the TWIL anti-cheat team (2 members of GFA) to have a fair trial. After a first meeting where they presented their evidences by witch we were convinced that Eralorn was not guilty because we found an explanation for most actions that were made by him. So we agreed to have a second meeting a week later. It gave us the time to prepare our defence. On the D-day we came for the meeting and we were suprised to find out that no one from TWIL was present. A few days later {GFA} Piriou (anti-cheat team) came to present his apologies and we agreed to find an another day for a meeting, obviously he never proposed one. During that conversation we had a little talk about "not trusting anyone on internet" , he was talking about Eralorn, so I guess you were right but not about yourself and not Eralorn after what the backstab TWIL did.

        Now , I will explain and show some parts of our defence that we prepared for nothing. The main thing that Eralorn was accused of were the shots through smoke , "We found this player shooting through smoke in several Bolt-Cup matches." in the announcement. I found out and it was confirmed by Ducky (the creator of TWIL Demo Manager), that the demos doesn't show the zoom when you aim and the most important , the smoke reconstitution is totaly random and it doesn't show what really happened during the game. To prove that , we used two screenshots from thow videos that we were shown by the TWIL :
        http://www.noelshack.com/2015-44-1445865302-era3.png
        http://www.noelshack.com/2015-44-1445865291-era-1.png

        One of this guys was killed by Eralorn but as said the TWIL "he didn't see him". Really ?
        This is an another screenshot taken by us, of the same action:
        http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/39...ERC1ematch.jpg

        That be being said and shown, I guess that our definition of "fairness" is not the same and this case is not over.

        Sincerly,
        =TFD= Sacha
        Member and Co-Leader of =TFD= Community
        Last edited by =TFD=Sacha; 10-26-2015, 02:30 PM.

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        • #5
          About the evidence ...

          First one,

          Match: 2015-08-09(PB-vs-=TFD=)
          DemoID: CD_BoltCup_EU_1-Rev1333-Match552.1.demo
          Frame: 850
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o454_tqTB4Y

          Smoke is active for less than five seconds, so not completely opaque. With the zoom, it is easily assumed that I could see the target move. And of course, we must not forget that the DemoRec is a software that is not 100% sure, because it don't rebuilt smoke in the same way every time... This is a random reconstruction, and you can not deny it, Sacha proved it on the message above.

          Second one,

          Match: 2015-09-05(MERC-vs-=TFD=)
          DemoID: CD_BoltCup_EU_1-Rev1335-Match579.1.demo
          Frame: 12000
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGlil5A_s0g
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgrt3z_WHs

          And there is a screen of the action; http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/38...Whiteknite.png. Has you can see, Whiteknight shoot on me first ... so he can see me too ? I am accused of a shooting that my opponent did it first! It's unbelievable! Whiteknight shoot on me first, and because of i'm looking on the good direction, i'm making a reflex shot, and healing myself just a second after.... You can search for what you want. Whiteknight shot me first, I fought back. Look at the DemoRec from the point of view of Whiteknight before presenting evidence that is so badly fitted.

          I'm sure, that the TWIL will explain us, why {MERC} Whiteknight, shoot me first through the smoke on the 2nd evidence video... By reasonable, we can consider that this evidence is no longer valid. The facts are there.
          Last edited by =TFD= Eralorn; 10-26-2015, 02:59 PM. Reason: Mise

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          • #6
            We received from Ducky a message to begin an appeal procedure. We are writing our defense. We will keep you informed.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by =TFD= Eralorn View Post
              We received from Ducky a message to begin an appeal procedure. We are writing our defense. We will keep you informed.
              Oke, hope you guys can work that out as the process is between these two parties, despite the team now already went into public about the matter.

              Still a lot information from the TFD that was posted is highly questionable.
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              • #8
                Today, despite our appeal request, the TWIL still considers that my banishment from the TWIL is legal. We'll try to push on Tripwire direclty with legal procedure. However, I can distribute my appeal on the internet for all to see, so they can imagine the level of evidence and our defense.

                Our appeal;
                Greetings,



                Match: 2015-08-09(PB-vs-=TFD=)
                DemoID: CD_BoltCup_EU_1-Rev1333-Match552.1.demo
                Frame: 850
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o454_tqTB4Y
                Match: 2015-09-05(MERC-vs-=TFD=)
                DemoID: CD_BoltCup_EU_1-Rev1335-Match579.1.demo
                Frame: 12000
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGlil5A_s0g
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgrt3z_WHs


                First one; Match: 2015-08-09(PB-vs-=TFD=) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o454_tqTB4Y ;
                (two screenshots to prove it (http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...65302-era3.png - http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...5291-era-1.png )).
                This is important because it shows that the TWIL is able to banish players on an image which meaning is random. We can accept that it could be consider in some cases, but absolutely not in the present case.



                _ The [PB] I have killed was hidden behind a chariot which is a well-known spot on this map. I have, which is logical, kept an eye on it. This is why I was focused on that particular spot at this moment of the round, just after the respawn wave of the [PB]s. Even more, one of my TFD team mate warned me after seeing them hiding behind that chariot.

                With all those elements, this is how, from our sight, the incriminate scene happened ;


                For the second proof; Match: 2015-09-05(MERC-vs-=TFD=) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGlil5A_s0g - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgrt3z_WHs ;


                In this video, we can see this clear situation;


                _ The [MERC] player, Whiteknight, shoot first through the smoking grenade, I take that shot. Which would imply that Whiteknight is guilty for that shot through the smoke grenade, but the TWIL decided it was me.
                http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/38...Whiteknite.png)
                _ End of the action, I heal, covered, because of the bullet received from Whiteknight.
                Being aware of all those elements, this is how, from our point of view, the incriminated scene did happen ;

                So, as said before in this appeal file, we showed that the two proofs presented by the TWIL are not valid and not admissible.
                There was no cheating during the TWILs BOLT CUP tournament. I would like you to analyze those facts, in a impartial way, and to clean the honor of my team and my name.
                With all my respect, and thanking you by advance for your kind intention.
                Best regards

                In the name of the =TFD= entire community;
                = TFD = Eralorn
                Team leader of the =TFD= RO2 Team
                Co-leader of the War Thunder Team
                Co-leader of the =TFD= Entire Community

                Last edited by =TFD= Eralorn; 08-11-2016, 04:54 PM.

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