Stiltzkin,
I was obviously joking. I do not identify with secret police of murderous regimes of any kind, I thought the sarcasm was obvious. Apparently, it wasn't.
Anyway, to keep this reply short and SORT OF on topic, I'll leave the discussion of operational art, tactics, statistic etc behind, and will concentrate solely on the claims of russian bias.
Just a quick thought: You say Glantz fell out of favor in Russia after writing the book about Operation Mars. Today that is certainly not the case. He is a well respected historian in Russia, as evidenced by him recently being awarded by the Russian Ministy of Defense.
https://latestnewsresource.com/en/n...-istorika-nagradili-medalju-minoborony-rossii
Now, excuse me if I am wrong, but your join date is march of last year, that means you most likely weren't here in the times when the RO2 forum was actually alive and discussing ballance and preformance of weapons. The center of this discussion always ended up at PPSh and the tanks.
First of all, lets mention the tanks, which are the easiest to answer, at least in my view.
Their armor system fu*king sucks and has never-ever worked as intended. It is not IOM's fault that they are this way. I've had numerous discussions on this on and off forum. Nothing works as intended. As an armored warfare enthusiast, RO2 tanks make my blood boil.
Now with that out of my system, let's move on to the weapons.
So far the only thing you've come up with as "soviet bias" is the PPSh's performance. You question it as the best WW2 SMG. My response to that is: Even if it wasn't exactly the best , it certainly was in the top of the list, ahead of both the Thompson and the MP40 (Please just call it that- Schmeisser had nothing to do with the thing).
The light recoil/high velocity of the Tokarev round combined with the heavy weapon and magazine, long barrel made the PPSh an accurate and easily controllable SMG at ranges considered challanging for SMGs. This is clearly visible in its operators manual.
(It is in hungarian, I am sorry for that- I shall translate when I get back in a few hours, or possibly tomorrow.)
Also, I did not imply that you were a fascist. That is stupid. What I've said was you seem to have the bias of most western history enthusiasts who have been almost exclusively exposed to memoirs of axis veterans who most certainly paint the soviet military as woefully incompetent rabble only winning because of their numbers.
My favorite reply for this is in an article I've read long ago about artilliery employment in the soviet military. It was possibly by Glantz, sadly I have lost it. In it he pointed out the amount of units which have actually been destroyed by soviet barrages, yet the german reports have always somehow stated that the soviets just couldn't get artilliery support right. The simplest answer is- the veterans who made those reports are the ones who didn't get hit by those barrages. All the people who could tell you about their lethality are, well...- dead. As you might imagine, this applies to other weapons too.
I was obviously joking. I do not identify with secret police of murderous regimes of any kind, I thought the sarcasm was obvious. Apparently, it wasn't.
Anyway, to keep this reply short and SORT OF on topic, I'll leave the discussion of operational art, tactics, statistic etc behind, and will concentrate solely on the claims of russian bias.
Just a quick thought: You say Glantz fell out of favor in Russia after writing the book about Operation Mars. Today that is certainly not the case. He is a well respected historian in Russia, as evidenced by him recently being awarded by the Russian Ministy of Defense.
https://latestnewsresource.com/en/n...-istorika-nagradili-medalju-minoborony-rossii
Now, excuse me if I am wrong, but your join date is march of last year, that means you most likely weren't here in the times when the RO2 forum was actually alive and discussing ballance and preformance of weapons. The center of this discussion always ended up at PPSh and the tanks.
First of all, lets mention the tanks, which are the easiest to answer, at least in my view.
Their armor system fu*king sucks and has never-ever worked as intended. It is not IOM's fault that they are this way. I've had numerous discussions on this on and off forum. Nothing works as intended. As an armored warfare enthusiast, RO2 tanks make my blood boil.
Now with that out of my system, let's move on to the weapons.
So far the only thing you've come up with as "soviet bias" is the PPSh's performance. You question it as the best WW2 SMG. My response to that is: Even if it wasn't exactly the best , it certainly was in the top of the list, ahead of both the Thompson and the MP40 (Please just call it that- Schmeisser had nothing to do with the thing).
The light recoil/high velocity of the Tokarev round combined with the heavy weapon and magazine, long barrel made the PPSh an accurate and easily controllable SMG at ranges considered challanging for SMGs. This is clearly visible in its operators manual.
(It is in hungarian, I am sorry for that- I shall translate when I get back in a few hours, or possibly tomorrow.)
Spoiler!
Spoiler!
Also, I did not imply that you were a fascist. That is stupid. What I've said was you seem to have the bias of most western history enthusiasts who have been almost exclusively exposed to memoirs of axis veterans who most certainly paint the soviet military as woefully incompetent rabble only winning because of their numbers.
My favorite reply for this is in an article I've read long ago about artilliery employment in the soviet military. It was possibly by Glantz, sadly I have lost it. In it he pointed out the amount of units which have actually been destroyed by soviet barrages, yet the german reports have always somehow stated that the soviets just couldn't get artilliery support right. The simplest answer is- the veterans who made those reports are the ones who didn't get hit by those barrages. All the people who could tell you about their lethality are, well...- dead. As you might imagine, this applies to other weapons too.
Last edited:
Upvote
0
