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  • #61
    All these "Operation Blue" and "Motherland" names are waaaay to vague and non-intuitive. Will players really understand what that means if they see that in the server browser without having to think about it? Of course not.

    The 'Veteran' and 'Conscript' approach are used in other games as well and are pretty intuitive. So + 1 for that.

    On the other hand, I think '(Relaxed) realism' is pretty good already. Maybe it's because I'm used to it by now but I think it describes the game modes quite well.

    An alternative could be:

    Full realism
    Casual realism

    That way players immediately understand that the relaxed realism mode is still realistic, but a little bit more newb-friendly than full realism.

    You really don't want to use the 'Hardcore' term. That just reminds me of arcade shooters like CoD and MoH, and it's overused. And 'Arcade' is a wrong term to use as well, because as Ramm once said, relaxed realism is still a hundred times more realistic as CoD. 'Classic' might be confusing for new players who haven't played RO:O.

    So my suggestion would be Full realism and Casual realism, each mode having its own display icon. A small golden RO logo (the R within an O) for Full realism, and a silver or bronze icon for Casual.

    Keeping it simple is key here.
    Gotte love TWI's close connection with the fans.
    Last edited by Nimsky; 05-29-2011, 12:07 PM.

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    • #62
      Realism = Normal
      Relaxed realism = Arcade
      Custom = Custom
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      • #63
        Originally posted by LemoN View Post
        Case Blue would be a better translation.
        I know but I deliberately chose the word Operation because it is mostly us old folks who use such archaic words, also in context the word operation is better suited as the word 'case' sound too abstract and theoretical in contrast to 'operation' which sound dynamic and more tangible.
        Case Stalingrad sounds horrible in my ears therefore the choice of the word 'operation' as the common phrase.
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        • #64
          As a pure aside (my opinion - others in the office may disagree), but I'm kinda likeing the idea of "Classic RO" or "Classic RO Realism" for the realism mode. It tells all the faithful exactly what they want to know, gives new people the general idea. But what would be the "lesser" variant? I'm certainly not going to call it "More like CoD non-realism"

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          • #65
            Originally posted by [TW]Wilsonam View Post
            As a pure aside (my opinion - others in the office may disagree), but I'm kinda likeing the idea of "Classic RO" or "Classic RO Realism" for the realism mode. It tells all the faithful exactly what they want to know, gives new people the general idea. But what would be the "lesser" variant? I'm certainly not going to call it "More like CoD non-realism"
            Well, you could call it "Novice Mode". It's directed to new players anyway. Or perhaps "Soldier" for relaxed and "Hero" for realism.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by [TW]Wilsonam View Post
              As a pure aside (my opinion - others in the office may disagree), but I'm kinda likeing the idea of "Classic RO" or "Classic RO Realism" for the realism mode. It tells all the faithful exactly what they want to know, gives new people the general idea. But what would be the "lesser" variant? I'm certainly not going to call it "More like CoD non-realism"
              Classic
              Casual
              Custom

              Howabout something like that?

              I think the 'Relaxed' mode needs to convey the idea that it's still the classic mode, but just more casual or relaxed.

              Calling it "Novice" and "Hero" or "Veteren" or whatever would convey the wrong idea to people of what to expect from the said modes.
              Last edited by kllr101; 05-29-2011, 01:25 PM.
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              • #67
                This is starting to seem like a sisyphean task, because it seems we've got two conflicting goals here.

                On one hand, the idea is to find two names that are neutral or equal, so nobody is made to feel patronised for their prefrences in gameplay.

                But on the other, the name of the relaxed mode should prefably tell newcomers to the game that this is where they should probably start, as it's the mode with the helpers.


                What's a kind way of saying "Hey newbie, start here you dumbarse"?

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Grobut View Post
                  This is starting to seem like a sisyphean task, because it seems we've got two conflicting goals here.

                  On one hand, the idea is to find two names that are neutral or equal, so nobody is made to feel patronised for their prefrences in gameplay.

                  But on the other, the name of the relaxed mode should prefably tell newcomers to the game that this is where they should probably start, as it's the mode with the helpers.


                  What's a kind way of saying "Hey newbie, start here you dumbarse"?
                  True, I guess one could cleverly use something like "Classic RO", and if you click that one (before clicking the "Relaxed mode") a popup will come up saying "This mode is designed for a Classic RO experience - If you are new we recommend starting at Casual mode"

                  But otherwise, finding a name that doesn't give the player a wrong idea and help guide them would be a task.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Landrik View Post
                    Realism
                    Arcade
                    Custom
                    from all this suggestions this is the very best.
                    I would have said the same.
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                    • #70
                      I think hardcore is a good name for the realism mode. People new to RO would understand what it's about, because a lot of the differences(not as much UI and so on) are in other games hardcore modes.

                      What to call the relaxed realism mode is a tougher nut though.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by tofupunk View Post
                        I think hardcore is a good name for the realism mode. People new to RO would understand what it's about, because a lot of the differences(not as much UI and so on) are in other games hardcore modes.

                        What to call the relaxed realism mode is a tougher nut though.
                        gota agree I dont like the world, but I think it would work best.
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                        • #72
                          Personally I like:

                          Realism
                          Tactical (for relaxed)
                          Custom

                          If keeping the term 'realism' isn't desirable then you could use something along the lines of:

                          Classic or Classic RO
                          Tactical
                          Custom
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by -[SiN]-bswearer View Post
                            simple.....there shouldn't be a significantly "lesser than Classic" variant game mode.

                            i appreciate that you liked my suggestion for Classic, but it seems as though we both might have different ideas of what "Classic" is......i would expect this to be as close to the original RO mode as possible, with maybe a few of the newer helpful "additions" added. i would imagine "Realism" to be more realistic than the traditional, Classic RO game mode. for years people said that the default RO game mode wasn't realistic enough due to things like death messages, stance indicator, compass, map, HUD items etc... so for this "Realism" mode, i was under the impression that it'd be more realistic than RO's original. but there's really no place for anything less "realistic" than RO's classic game mode....that can be what "Custom" is for
                            I doubt that the realistic setting will have DM off.

                            Maybe kill distance info off, but DM? I doubt it. That would be custom.

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                            • #74
                              The suggestions below suck, I like the ones I made in the post below much better

                              I like:

                              Hardcore
                              Casual
                              Custom

                              Hardcore because it's what other game series use and so people will recognize it instantly for what it is.

                              Casual because it lets people know that it's probably an "easier" mode without making them feel stupid for playing it or implying they should start with that mode.

                              Custom well... what else would you call it lol?

                              Or if you wanna be more original...

                              Rattenkrieg (with a brief description obviously so people know what it means when it comes to settings---even though many players will not know what the word means it sounds cool and they'll learn a bit of history... other games have done this no problem---off the top of my head Age of Empires with the Mamelukes, Trebuchets, etc.)
                              Skirmish (this would be the casual/easier setting)
                              Custom

                              OR:

                              Frostbite/Freeze (Frostbite might be seen as a ripoff of DICE's engine name)
                              Chill (both less cold than "freeze" and chill implies "relaxed" )
                              Custom

                              (yes yes I know not all of Stalingrad was fought in the snow but that's what everyone thinks about when they think about Stalingrad)
                              Last edited by NoxNoctum; 05-29-2011, 05:49 PM.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Fedorov View Post
                                Awareness
                                Immersion
                                Custom

                                Or:

                                HUD Options:
                                Full
                                Minimalist
                                Custom

                                Or:

                                Complete
                                Raw
                                Custom

                                Or

                                Assisted
                                Unassisted
                                Custom

                                It says what it does, and does not imply anything.
                                But if you want to imply difficulty:

                                Starter/Recruit
                                Experienced/Veteran
                                Custom

                                Or just add a subtitle to the other modes:

                                Awareness/Full:
                                Enables all HUD elements, recommended for players who are new to Red Orchestra, or simply want a more relaxed laid back experience.
                                Immersion/Minimalist: Disables most HUD elements, recommended for players who are familiar with the game and want a more immersive and tough experience.
                                Custom
                                I like those three. Though I wouldn't use "complete" as that implies the others are incomplete. Also I'd use Full HUD not just "Full". Same with Minimalist etc.

                                I still think using some kind of historical names would be the coolest though. (with thorough descriptions when you mouse over of course) It gives flavor to the game. Players and reviewers alike enjoy those kind of simple touches.

                                Maybe:

                                For Ruskies:

                                Realism >> "Guards Mechanized Division" (elite and better equipped unit) or "Penal Unit" or "Gulag" (my favorite , and one that most people would immediately recognize)
                                Relaxed Realism >> "Rifle division"
                                Custom >> "Razvedchiki" (I really can't think of something else historical that would fit this other than NKVD but that raises too many redflags)

                                I very much like the idea of having separate names depending on what side you choose.

                                For Germans:

                                Realism >> "Panzergrenadier" or "Sturmkompanie" (again more "elite" and better equipped unit)
                                Relaxed Realism >> "Volkssturm" or "Volksgrenadier" (implies it's easier without making people feel stupid because anything with "sturm" in it sounds badass---and yes I know there were no Volkssturm units at Stalingrad)
                                Custom >> "Wehrwolf" is the only thing I could think of for this... either that or custom

                                People aren't as stupid as you think they are and again many very popular games have used historical names etc. for units instead of some bland English relabeling. And again, it gives the game FLAVORRRRR!!! (which is so important IMO and can make the difference between a great game and an all time classic)

                                The way it would play out is... for example, you mouse over "Panzergrenadier mode" and immediately a nice, visually appealing tooltip comes up that explains "A more realistic mode for hardened veterans!"

                                I definitely would NOT use classic as that sorta implies "old and outdated". Also I would not use "Standard" for any mode as that will make most players jump to that mode which will result in bad things happening. (if it's the harder setting that's "standard", people will give up easily, if it's the easy mode that's "standard" it'll tick off the realism nuts and make it less likely for people to eventually go to the harder setting once they've learned the game mechanics). Arcade is also a bad idea IMO because it implies that people should play that mode like they would TF2 or something.
                                Last edited by NoxNoctum; 05-29-2011, 05:56 PM.

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