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  • #46
    Originally posted by PsYcH0_Ch!cKeN View Post
    Irrelevant. The conversion between UU and cm is different between UE2 and UE3. RO1 was 67.43uu = 1m or something weird like that. In RO2 it's 50uu = 1m.

    The characters are the right size, it's the environments that are larger.


    I know it's irrelevant. I didn't say it was "wrong". like i said, you can design around your characters. "No" biggie here



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    hell i played a Mod in ut3 called "The Haunted" , witch i mapped for, and the characters were 176 UU.
    Last edited by -=}WoLvErInE{=-; 09-04-2011, 09:16 AM.

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    • #47
      To be honest, i dont care that much . I noticed the doors were a bit large but never investigated it.

      Would be cool if it could be fixed. But if it wont, ot doesnt spoil for me .

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      • #48


        This one is the funniest! The door handle is at neck height of the average 1940s man. Who would make a door that huge, and with the handle that far up the door?

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        • #49
          Did nobody read my post on page 1?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Echo Black View Post

            This one is the funniest! The door handle is at neck height of the average 1940s man. Who would make a door that huge, and with the handle that far up the door?

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            I gather you and most of the complainers in this thread have never been in a historical european building.
            Room heights of 4 to 5 meters and doors of 3 meters size with the handle raised proportionally are normal in historical inner cities which have not been devasted in a world war and been rebuild with "modern" buildings in the 50ies.

            Now I won't deny that the proportions are off, but the door example is a pretty bad one, as it is the one thing that could be correct.
            Last edited by [-project.rattus-]; 09-04-2011, 12:30 PM.
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            • #51
              omg! the man is right!
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Mangley View Post
                Welcome to video games.

                The problem with real life dimensions is they do not look correct through a first person screen perspective that FPS games use. Railings and walls at realistic heights look too low and doors, stairs, and windows look too small.

                I really wish this wasn't the case but it is, and it's a nightmare to solve... you basically have to trade off. Do you want a playable area with space to move that is much larger than real life or do you want a cramped space which is frustrating to navigate which has realistic dimensions?
                That's exactly what I was considering. It may be a bit unrealistic but it's probably alot more fun to play in.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by [-project.rattus-] View Post
                  I gather you and most of the complainers in this thread have never been in a historical european building.
                  Room heights of 4 to 5 meters and doors of 3 meters size with the handle raised proportionally are normal in historical inner cities which have not been devasted in a world war and been rebuild with "modern" buildings in the 50ies.

                  Now I won't deny that the proportions are off, but the door example is a pretty bad one, as it is the one thing that could be correct.
                  It's not a bad example. I'm pretty sure the "standard" residential doorframe height was already 210cm (about 6'10'') back in the 40s, or perhaps even a tad less. Regardless, even a larger-than-usual door should have the handle on the same place (a bit above waist height), it's clearly not the case on the screenshot.

                  EDIT: Just checked, the worldwide standard has the door handle vary between 90cm-105cm from the floor. Even if we assume it to be 105cm, that would have the russian on the pic be about 135cm (a tad over 4 feet!) tall, and that's pushing it.

                  TWI is awesome but you should just admit they got the scale of the world pretty wrong in relation to the player models:



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                  Last edited by Echo Black; 09-04-2011, 12:58 PM.

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                  • #54
                    Something that cannot be unseen should have a warning label on it.



                    ...I should have never looked at this topic
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by StardogChampion View Post
                      Did nobody read my post on page 1?
                      I did and don't think thats the case.

                      Originally posted by [-project.rattus-] View Post
                      Room heights of 4 to 5 meters and doors of 3 meters size with the handle raised proportionally are normal in historical inner cities which have not been devasted in a world war and been rebuild with "modern" buildings in the 50ies.

                      Now I won't deny that the proportions are off, but the door example is a pretty bad one, as it is the one thing that could be correct.
                      You got a point here. I live in Poland and I've seen many buildings that survived German ocupatuion and then Russian rampage. Many of them looks similar to those shown on screenshots in this thread.

                      But don't get me wrong. This doesn't mean that proportions in RO2 aren't off, it just mean that some of them are not that much off.




                      Last edited by Kirq; 09-04-2011, 01:01 PM.
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                      • #56
                        I didn't notice it until now, seems like a major issue. I think it'll either be swiped under the rug as people being picky over "minor details" again and that the devs should be appreciated, or they'll hope nobody really notices it except for those that have seen this thread.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by -=}WoLvErInE{=- View Post
                          i know you can make your environment around your character, can scale things, but heres the difference in character heights.

                          Ro2 -> Ro1 -> UT3
                          Originally posted by Olivier89 View Post
                          In the modding discussion section
                          Based off the info here soldiers in RO2 are 5' 9''.

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                          • #58
                            I don't think that any TWI Dev will post here, sometimes is better to be silent. But I woul'd really like to know if its some kind of (rather big) oversight at level design stage, or maybe it's been made in purpose to deal with some kind of tech problem? And the most importatnt question, is it possible to fix it at this development stage? I'm afaid not.

                            PS. I'm still gona enojoy the hell out of this amazing game! My Collector's Edition box should arrive within 9 days!
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                            • #59
                              Or are the maps too big?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Kirq View Post
                                But I woul'd really like to know if its some kind of (rather big) oversight at level design stage, or maybe it's been made in purpose to deal with some kind of tech problem? And the most importatnt question, is it possible to fix it at this development stage? I'm afaid not.
                                In general from a first person perspective in a game it often looks better if the world is a little bit bigger. Thats why in a lot of traditional fps you saw the camera mounted in the stomach of players for instance.

                                So especially the heights of ceilings often are bigger than in reality, and similarly doors are wider so you are less likely to get stuck.

                                It would perhaps be good to compare things with RO1 with regards to size.

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