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The following is a list of some things that MAY be considered "offensive" by the moderators and the team. This is NOT an exclusive list and it does depend very much on context.

Crossing the line into "offensive" territory is likely to get you asked to change your name, sig or avatar or to withdraw/delete posts. This will be done politely by the moderators. If you refuse to comply further action WILL be taken once started, ultimately leading to banning from the forums.

A key point: please attempt to use your brains. What is mild humour to you may well be deeply offensive to others. While we have no intention of acting as politically-correct "thought police", we are on the lookout for those things that can cause offense and, in some cases, are actually still illegal in some jurisdictions.
  1. Names recalling notorious war criminals or personalities.
  2. Names recalling atrocities and war crimes in general, or units with particularly odious histories.
  3. Use of obscenities and expletives.
  4. Blatant racism, mysogynism or many other "ism"s.
  5. Use of symbolism and regalia recalling Nazism or Fascism; this does not include pics of soldiers who happen to have such symbols on their uniform, unless we feel this has been done to provoke. Please note that many Nazi symbols (including the Swastika) are still illegal in Germany and other countries and considered deeply offensive by many Europeans.
  6. Use of symbolism and regalia recalling Stalinism.
  7. On both the previous two, the moderators' views on the intention and impact of use of such symbols will be final - not yours. Please be understanding if you are advised to change something.
  8. In general, if a sig/avatar represents your allegiances in-game and is clearly "in part", it is likely to be fine; if the moderators feel you are trying to demonstrate unpalatable political allegiances, or to use it in an attempt to ridicule or provoke others you WILL be asked to change it. RO is NOT the place to make any extremist political statements of any kind.

Examples:
So people get the idea, some examples that would be considered offensive, numbered as above:
  1. "Hitler", "Beria"
  2. "NKVD Blocking Detachment", "Einsatzgruppen"
  3. This one should be pretty obvious...
  4. So should this - and it includes calling all Germans "Nazis" and all Soviets/Russians "Commies". It got boring 50 years ago, so stop it.
  5. Use of swastikas, fasces, SS-runes and so on for the Axis.
  6. There is actually very little overt symbolism from the Stalinist era; the hammer-and-sickle isn't offensive per se.

A simple rule-of-thumb: many Europeans find Nazi symbolism of any sort offensive; many Americans still find Soviet symbolism offensive. Engage your brain before using.




Final Note: this is NOT open to debate, so please do NOT start whining and moaning if a moderator asks you to change something. They will advise at first, giving reasons, then, if you take no notice, they will step up the pressure through to banning.
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  • #16
    Originally posted by r5cya View Post
    I have two questions.
    What is cross-posting and is it okay to link to other forums on the twi website?
    Thanks.
    Posting the exact same (or very similar thread) across multiple parts of the forums.
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    • #17
      Double post (please admin delete it thks!)
      Last edited by 1conu59; 07-26-2013, 11:05 AM.
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      • #18
        I think the main problem with symbolism(use of symbols) is realy hard to define and I find the rules "don't use this sort of icons" too brief.

        Because on the one hand you have the liberty of expression and at a certain mesure, liberty of interpretation and on the other hand you have of course history events where abominations were commit.

        For example you can take the Svastika which was used by Nazi party during the WWII but the fact is that Svastika is also a religious symbol of indouism that you could found many century before the WWII and represent the God ganesh or some ideas like the eternity.

        If you go to India today you will find many svastika on many buldings and if you don't know what it means you could feel a bit disconfort with that while it's just a symbol of peace for all Indian.

        Regarding that I don't think that symbolism is a problem but mostly what people make with it and what ideas they want to share by using it.

        So I think we have to find some sort of way in a sentence to explain that you condamn the purpose of using some symbole but not the simple use of it.
        Last edited by 1conu59; 07-26-2013, 11:38 AM.
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        • #19
          Swastika where also used by ancient Hellenes. Hammer and Sickles where used by all the ancient Hellenic City States.

          Swastikas can be found all over the world actually, in any place where civilizations that used geometric shapes and patterns existed.

          I do not think it as matter of symbols, rather it is a matter of law. In some countries, everything used by Nazis and/or Communists is illegal.

          A forum, even a forum about historical video games, can be seen as "exposing" people to illegal/hate-promoting content. and some people might even think that these ideologies are promoted... Go figure...
          Unfortunately many people believe that a symbol is "evil". For me there are only good and evil deeds.

          Just look at actors who portrayed Nazis. Where they turned in a magical way into Nazis?
          But many people believe that this can actually happen!

          So TWI has to keep its customers, and because the customers from countries with anti-Nazi/Communist laws visit these same forums, these forums should accommodate them in my opinion.

          As for the freedom or religion, religious symbols and preaching should also not bet allowed. This is a forum to contact fellow players and developers of video games, not spread your religious beliefs.

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          • #20
            Symbols are for the symbol minded. They mean what you make them mean, just like everything else in this world.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Spartan1388 View Post
              I do not think it as matter of symbols, rather it is a matter of law. In some countries, everything used by Nazis and/or Communists is illegal.

              A forum, even a forum about historical video games, can be seen as "exposing" people to illegal/hate-promoting content. and some people might even think that these ideologies are promoted... Go figure...
              Unfortunately many people believe that a symbol is "evil". For me there are only good and evil deeds.
              Yeah, believe it or not, back in the mod days, a German media outlet got a visit from the Polizei for carrying a screenshot (or something - I don't remember the exact details) from the mod that contained some Nazi symbol.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by 1conu59 View Post
                Double post (please admin delete it thks!)
                FYI, there is an option to delete the post entirely when you are in edit mode.
                Click edit and have a closer look.

                On-topic: I approve of rule additions.

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                • #23
                  Interestingly, nazi symbols are fine in movies, non-fiction or fiction - because that's art! Not videogames though, lol.
                  Odd, but the law is the law...


                  (I'm just glad everyone got that "don't attack people" private message and not just me! I was worried for a second that some smarmy, sarcastic comment of mine really ticked someone off. )

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                  • #24
                    A little about the Swastika;

                    The swastika was/is employed by various American Indian tribes, notably the Navajo Tribes, for whom it was a sort of good luck sign. I recall once seeing a picture of the young Jackie Kennedy (then Bouvier) wearing a costume decorated with swastikas for a Native American pageant. At any rate, swastikas were a common motif in American building decoration up until around 1930.

                    The swastika didn't originate with Native Americans. The symbol was widespread throughout the ancient world, particularly in India, where it remains in common use by Hindus, Jains, and Buddhists. Originally it probably symbolized the sun circling through the sky, although many other explanations have also been offered. Up until the 20th century, its significance was generally benign.

                    In the 1870s the swastika was popularized by the German archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann, who found many examples of it during his diggings at ancient Troy and Mycenae. Schliemann was fascinated by the swastika and publicized it in his books, referring to it as an Aryan religious symbol.

                    Schliemann himself wasn't a racist, but the swastika was soon taken up by less principled writers, who were attracted by the Aryan connection as well as by the symbol's strangely compelling appearance. Hitler may have been introduced to it through the work of the fanatical Aryan supremacist Jorg Lanz von Liebenfels, who used the swastika as the symbol of his cult as early as 1907.

                    Many anti-Semitic and militarist groups had adopted it as well by the time Hitler appropriated it for the Nazis around 1920. Even he was a bit surprised by the impact it had on people; it's undoubtedly one of the most effective political symbols ever devised.

                    For today's "modern sociological permissiveness", the swastika is certainly becoming more acceptable and less offensive in many areas of the world. In fact, it usage as a decorative symbol is widespread throughout the mideast countries and in particular, Afghanistan. (Take notice of the ceiling to wall border decor in Karzai's offices and official halls)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Murphy View Post
                      nazi symbols are fine in movies
                      I thought movies got banned in countries all the time due to said imagery.

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                      • #26
                        Movies can be banned, but as far as i know, this is usually because the deem that illegal ideas and ideologies might be promoted, like with the Star Trek episode "Patterns of Force", in which the Nazi regime was described as "efficient".
                        http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Patt...Force_(episode)


                        But video games are the "root of all evil".
                        No one cares that millions play video games but have not harm any human or animal, but if a heavily mentally ill person harm a human or animal and that person had payed video games, everyone looses their mind...


                        The Swastika is indeed an ancient symbol that can be found all around the world. The great majority of Nazi/Fascist symbols are old symbols that where adopted, they did not invented them.

                        But, in some countries, and the number will increase, these symbols are illegal along with the ideologies, theories like Holocaust Denial, and any action to promote them. (Yes, the "Though Police" is already here.)
                        Even the Celtic Cross is illegal, which is a Celtic and later Christian Symbol...


                        The alternative would be that a separate forum would be created for the Germans, French, Austrians, etc, and IPs from these countries will be denied access to this forum. But this would require Admins who can speak these languages, and the players from these countries would not be able to voice their opinions and ideas equally.

                        Now, this forum is about video games. That means that you should not use it to voice your ideology, preach your faith or do anything other giving feedback about games, suggesting ideas, discussing modding, find support and everything else game related, so it is not a violation of Free Speech.
                        Basically things like the First Amendment from the Bill of Rights of the U.S Constitution, protect you from the Government. You cannot visit someone's house, say something that offends him and then plead the First.

                        Although this will cause inconvenience in the discussions about WWII video games, and this should be the main concern.

                        (Personally i favor censored versions of video games, like Iron Cross flag instead of Swastika flag, for countries where these symbols are illegal, and a version with the actual real symbols for the countries that have no law against them.)

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                        • #27
                          just my 2 cents:

                          +1 regarding the freedom of speech contained in laws/constitutions being limited to the governments/states only.

                          There is no unlimited freedom of speech here, pretending it is the case, or asking for such a thing, is just trolling the administrators and moderators, to not lose face when the banhammer will inevitably fall down.

                          -

                          Regarding the symbols, this place is the Tripwire Interactive forums, not a generic forum.

                          Since TWI is mostly known for the Red Orchestra series (and Killing Floor), its members and visitors are very likely interested in WW2, the threads and discussions are mostly about a WW2 game or WW2 history.

                          So having a swastika as a profile picture is not just "it's an ancient world symbol from India", it is:
                          - very likely it's representing the Third Reich and/or the National-Socialism movement for you (nb: that doesn't mean you're a nazi or a supporter of the 3rd Reich)
                          - extremely likely it will represent the 3rd Reich and/or the National-Socialism movement for other users.

                          It is the context of the TWI forum that makes some symbols/names forbidden, not the symbols/names themselves (with the exception of few legal restrictions).

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Temporary View Post
                            So having a swastika as a profile picture is not just "it's an ancient world symbol from India", it is:
                            - very likely it's representing the Third Reich and/or the National-Socialism movement for you (nb: that doesn't mean you're a nazi or a supporter of the 3rd Reich)
                            - extremely likely it will represent the 3rd Reich and/or the National-Socialism movement for other users.

                            It is the context of the TWI forum that makes some symbols/names forbidden
                            This person talks sense.
                            Last edited by Nestor Makhno; 07-31-2013, 07:53 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Yes, it makes sense.

                              But,

                              1) There is no Third Reich or N.S.D.A.P anymore, so you cannot "support" something that does not exist.

                              2) Supporting the National Socialist ideology is not illegal on every country. That means that there are "Nazi" parties and some people join them. Same with the Communist parties and even with Stalinist-Communist Parties. You do not have to sympathize them or like them, but they have the right to believe in whatever they want, and if you have the same right, you know that the price is that you have to tolerate those who you don't like, but this right is worth the price.

                              Personally i like freedom and i like these rights. Having grown up in a country with an unofficial "Though Police", i can understand the value of these rights, but here we should think deeper.

                              3)This is an International gaming forum. Politics stay out, Religion stays out, Pets stay out, and anything not game-related should stay out.

                              Having an avatar or nickname that can be considered as political/religious propaganda harms the community and that harms the company that made the games we like.

                              If you are Hindu, this is not the place to preach your beliefs or publicly display your "religious pride" by having a religious symbol as avatar.

                              To put this straight. Here you are a gamer/costumer visitor.
                              Anything you are to real life, you should keep it for yourself. This is not the place to talk/brag/preach about it and no one really cares.
                              It is like visiting TWI's home. You should only speak about gaming. You are in their house and they have their rules.

                              Freedom of speech is to protect you from Government and Government Agencies. To put this straight with an example, if you ring a house doorbell and ask to preach, they might ask you to leave. In that case you should leave, but you have the right to preach on anyone willing to hear.


                              4) Because TWI is mostly known for the Red Orchestra series which is a WWII game, this will cause an inconvenience and this is my concern.

                              I mean, say that they have done a mistake and i should upload a reference picture to show them how the correct should be, but if i do i brake the Forum Rules so i cannot tell them that they made a mistake because i am not allowed to back my words with evidence...

                              In Germany, they should have rules that allow to use historical photographs or flags, posters, insignia, etc as reference. They have museums, don't they? They watch WWII movies, don't they? They have model builders, don't they? They make WWII films and allow filming in Germany, don't they?
                              They have reference books, don't they?

                              So, maybe adopting these rules?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by 1conu59 View Post
                                For example you can take the Svastika which was used by Nazi party during the WWII but the fact is that Svastika is also a religious symbol of indouism that you could found many century before the WWII and represent the God ganesh or some ideas like the eternity.
                                'indouism' = 'Hinduism'?

                                I always thought that the Third Reich reversed the direction of the original (Hindu) swastika - in line with their occult leanings; my misapprehension, perhaps?

                                Also:
                                Q - What's a Hindu?
                                A - Lay eggs!

                                BA-DUM TISH!
                                (I'm here all week, folks. Please tip your waitresses...)
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