If they caught the arms dealer, I'm sure they would be charged with murder. Whether they'd be convicted is another story, but in my morality, I believe firmly someone like Eric Holder should be charged with the murder of that border patrol agent.
You are hanging out with a group of friends and a dude pulls out a pipe and starts smoking crack. The pipe gets passed around and only one other person accepts. If the police show up and see what's going on, do you think they will detain just the two people who did it, or everyone? The police officer is going to laugh at you when you say "How was I supposed to know this guy was going to start smoking crack right next to me?" They will probably let you go later after you've been processed, but that's what happens when you associate with idiots.
I'm not sure if anyone even gave a thought to reading what Floyd said, but he is totally right on the subject. When police are outnumbered, they have the right to defend themselves in a more radical way than the way they are being attacked. It's the nature of the use of force continuum.
So you're saying if a police officer gets hit with a projectile, it's alright as long as he has adequate protection against it and there should be no repercussions? That's screwed up logic.
If a protestor was protesting alongside a violent protestor and gets hurt, that's too damn bad. He should not have been next to that guy or protesting with that group of people.
Nestor: I followed the London Riots quite closely, and luckily I wasn't there. But from what I read, those seem quite different than the Occupy movement. I'd compare those more to the Vancouver Riots simply because they actually were mass riots filled with idiots trying to take advantage of a situation. These protests are just a bunch of misguided people with a few violent "no goods" in the mix. Unfortunately, until police are able to develop a method to deal with just those people, everyone that is associating with them will have to deal with collateral damage.
I'm not getting into the anarchist/nihilist debate since no one was even talking about that in the first place.
Edit: And I believe you are right about the bullies in principle, but ironically, anyone that ever bullied me hate the police. They are all marijuana addicts who laughably hate authority.
**** happens, deal with it?
That's what the protestors should be told. They were hanging with the wrong crowd.
Guys, the world isn't so black and white. If the police are heavily outnumbered and that mass of people is trespassing on property without permission and/or throwing projectiles at the police, they will be dealt with. Because of the fact they are outnumbered, the police lawfully and I believe morally have the right to use whatever means necessary to get control. American police aren't as brutal compared to the police of other nations who actually use live rounds.
. Instead of focusing on arresting the looters or the people who are flipping cars, the police around here prefers to fire flashbangs in the crowd... at shoulder level. One guy almost lost his vision from the right eye a week ago because he received one of those flashbangs in the eye waaaaaaaay before anyone got hostile. The Director of Montreal's Police Dep. then proceeds to tell the medias that it's the guy's fault because he was wearing glasses. 
