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Old 09-29-2013, 03:33 PM
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Default Give Classic a try, part 2

If you haven't given the new Classic Mode a try yet, I highly recommend taking a look. The changes to movement speed and weapon handling have made the mode overall far smoother and less clunky, while simultaneously making weapons feel even more real.

My favorite thing about the new update is the modification to weapon sway--the added sway when raising your weapon for the first time actually really makes the firearm have a physical weight to it. You can feel the heft of that BAR, Garand, or SVT-40 as you sight in on the enemy. It's made a huge difference--successful shots feel immensely satisfying, firefights are more immersive.

Now that the movement speed has been raised and the sprint-to-iron-sights transition reworked, Classic finally feels polished. Between that, the new handling mechanics, the existing (more) authentic weapon loadouts, the lack of Lockdown, increased wound damage, and the reduced number of automatic weapons, I'd highly recommend giving it a try if you're in search of that added bit of immersion.

I know I might be preaching to the choir, as the forum crowd generally leans towards Classic to a greater degree than the player population at large already, but hey, just don't want anyone to miss out!
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Old 09-29-2013, 03:44 PM
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I can only second that. I best most of the Ostfronters who left the game would come back if they played this new version of Classic mode. It's great!
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Old 09-29-2013, 03:51 PM
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Sadly I think the majority of players will ignore this, as most of them aren't on the forums.

Its a billion times better, but your average pubber doesn't realist that.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:01 PM
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Are we actually having fire fights now?

I miss those from Ostfront and think vanilla RO2 is much poorer for just how accurate everyone is.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:09 PM
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I used to just play realism, with every once in a while I would play some classic, but now I only want to play classic exclusively. The new update really did it for me.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:31 PM
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Yea, classic is fun to play but for my personal taste I prefer realism. Though I suggest everybody to grant classic another try.
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:35 PM
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:40 PM
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When I will be back at home (unfortunatelly next weekend) I will enable Classic in my serwer browser's filters. Lets the battle begin
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:40 PM
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I absolutely love the changes they made to classic mode, but we're going to have to wait for the free weekend to pass before we can see how a proper game actually plays out on a full classic server.

I'm a bit worried that the changes will go unnoticed and then there will be no classic servers after a while, because nobody wants to join an unpopulated one, even if they might prefer classic mode over realism (as was the case for me over the past few months).
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:23 PM
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Need to combine "classic" and "realism " add to "classic":
- Respawn on squad leaders(basis of tactics).
- Weapons unlock.
Heroes can not take enemy weapons(except for pistols). And to add some things from the "Sound Mod"(shrapnel, dynamic movement speed, bullet "cracks", immersive death effects).

There will be two modes of "super classical realism" and "arcade" for beginners. Full server, all welcome!
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:36 PM
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- Respawn on squad leaders(basis of tactics).
- Weapons unlock.
Heroes can not take enemy weapons(except for pistols).
These are the three things that i absolutely despise from realism and would ruin the mode for me

For classic I'd just wish they'd tweak the roles:
- remove AVT and MKB from elite positions, give those roles the option for enemy weapons
- PPS gone from Stalingrad
- Japanese assaults get the option for T100/44 w/bayo on applicable maps (all but Guadal & Betio)
- no flame on defence (needs rebalance on those maps)

And of course some things from dibbler's, like louder bullet cracks, helmets/hats coming off, these things of course shouldn't be classic specific
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:52 PM
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In any case, only one main mode. Permanent online ~ 1500, servers "classic" will always be empty.
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:59 PM
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Classic really feels good about now. The movement speed and the weapons handling is pretty close to perfect.

Even Custom with those above settings and spawn on sl disabled is really good.

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Old 09-29-2013, 09:09 PM
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For classic I'd just wish they'd tweak the roles:
- remove AVT and MKB from elite positions, give those roles the option for enemy weapons
- PPS gone from Stalingrad
- Japanese assaults get the option for T100/44 w/bayo on applicable maps (all but Guadal & Betio)
- no flame on defence (needs rebalance on those maps)

And of course some things from dibbler's, like louder bullet cracks, helmets/hats coming off, these things of course shouldn't be classic specific
Quoted for truth.

With these things included I can see Classic, with a name change of course, being the staple for RO2.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:11 PM
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after four matches this evening, i gained the impression that classic, on (some) rising storm maps, makes defending a lot easier, and attacking a hell of a lot harder. am i wrong or are the reinforcements and time-limit the same in classic as they are in realism? that doesn't seem balanced, since there's no spawning on squad leaders and there's less stamina for those who have to charge in and then steady their weapon in order to actually hit someone.

in the first one i jumped in as a soviet rifleman on barracks where we attacked and defeated the german defenders.

in all three rs matches (betio, iwo jima, kwajalein) the japanese were defending (my roles: 1. japanese rifleman, 2. american rifleman, 3. american squad leader, because on iwo there wasn't enough smoke) and they completely dominated.


or was it just bad luck for the yanks? what are your impressions?



btw. after every match i gained experience for the weapons and classes i was using. is that also something new because i don't remember this feature on classic from before.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:48 PM
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Maps made ​​with the spawn on squad leaders.
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btw. after every match i gained experience for the weapons and classes i was using. is that also something new because i don't remember this feature on classic from before.
That's always been around.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:54 PM
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TWI ought to promote classic more through events and stuff. The average RO2 player doesn't even know about classic or the changes that have been made, which is such a shame considering how great the mode is now.
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i almost forgot, i find some of the weapon-handling while slowly crouch-walking a bit exaggerated. several times i got killed because i was used to my semi-auto or smg firing almost at once as i click with my mouse. now, my avatar behaves as if his tommy-gun weighs like a bag of sand. one click is needed just to pull the freaking thing in a hip-firing position. what the hell? i'm well rested, but when i'm starting to clear some rooms/trenches/bunkers my guy acts as if he was stoned. where's the adrenaline rush? shouldn't he be edgy like a squirrel?
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:56 PM
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after four matches this evening, i gained the impression that classic, on (some) rising storm maps, makes defending a lot easier, and attacking a hell of a lot harder. am i wrong or are the reinforcements and time-limit the same in classic as they are in realism? that doesn't seem balanced, since there's no spawning on squad leaders and there's less stamina for those who have to charge in and then steady their weapon in order to actually hit someone.

btw. after every match i gained experience for the weapons and classes i was using. is that also something new because i don't remember this feature on classic from before.
Experience gain is still present, but there's no gameplay impact. If you unlock the 50-round drum for the tommy gun in Classic Mode, you'll get it in Realism Mode, but it won't change the default weapon you carry and use in Classic. The only thing that experience/progression affects in-game is how you look (veteran/hero uniform).

As for spawn on SL, it cuts both ways. You'll find that defenders often defend from the wings on either side of a cap as well as the cap itself. In Realism, this lets squad leaders spawn friendly soldiers directly next to the cap zone being contested. As defending SLs typically survive longer than attacking SLs and can spawn their fellow soldiers in safer locations, I've always felt that the current respawn on SL system favors the defenders ever since the patch that made spawning easier.

Here's the kicker though that makes attacking much more fair in Classic Mode, in my opinion:

NO LOCKDOWN.

In Realism Mode, you can get stuck at the A cap on Red October Factory and lose the entire round in less than ten minutes. Lockdown, for obvious reasons, favors the defenders greatly, as the time required to trigger lockdown generally isn't quite generous enough.

This alone--the ability in Classic Mode to take the map at your own pace--I feel makes attacking much easier in Classic.

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i almost forgot, i find some of the weapon-handling while slowly crouch-walking a bit exaggerated. several times i got killed because i was used to my semi-auto or smg firing almost at once as i click with my mouse. now, my avatar behaves as if his tommy-gun weighs like a bag of sand. one click is needed just to pull the freaking thing in a hip-firing position. what the hell? i'm well rested, but when i'm starting to clear some rooms/trenches/bunkers my guy acts as if he was stoned. where's the adrenaline rush? shouldn't he be edgy like a squirrel?
Not sure what you're talking about. Are you walking around with your sights already raised, or at your hip? Is it the sway that's the problem, or the delay before firing? Are you mid-sprint or walking?
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