New content, paid DLC maybe?

[[.STORM]]

Originally Posted by Six_Ten

Don't you think that if they could immediately fix what's not working optimally that they would? The technical problems and new content aren't delayed due to a lack of $5; they have money. Its problem solving and it takes time.

As for content, we have a lot of new maps already in public: go get them and help test them. Every player has the game editor and there are loads of free modeling and texturing tools. We have everything we need to create new weapons, vehicles, maps, code, and mods.

Money gets them more manpower, more manpower means outputting content and fixes faster.

I can see the "entitled" pc crowd is in full effect here, I don't know why I'm even surprised.

[=GG= Mr Moe]

Originally Posted by [.STORM]

Money gets them more manpower, more manpower means outputting content and fixes faster.

I can see the "entitled" pc crowd is in full effect here, I don't know why I'm even surprised.

How does getting money later, help them release the DLC content faster now, if people even buy it?

Not to mention, yes players do worry about splitting an already small community...

[Clowndoe]

I would pay for DLC, but what could they possibly release?

If you pay for weapons, it might be ok but what weapons can they add without messing with the authenticity. There are weapons to be added but frankly the only ones people seem to be that hyped about are the MG 42 and the Luger, and I feel like buying guns goes against the spirit TWI has been teaching us. Buying vehicles gives the added problem of balance, because let's say I bought a KV-1, then I'd have the advantage over people who don't pay DLC and if I don't I drag down the team.

I've bought skins for KF, but I wouldn't ask for them even free because the game already features varying models and the devs already have trouble with non-authentic uniforms. If I was going to pay for something it wouldn't to have a camo net on my helmet, but I wouldn't want to play as Kevo the Chav or Reverend Albert either.

Finally, there are maps. I think we all know the problem with this: One part of the community buys the maps, the other doesn't, and if you play on a server that plays DLC maps you get kicked, so you only play on vanilla servers. If you buy maps then you don't want to have your money wasted so you play on servers with DLC maps in the rotation. Then what if they release another map pack? Will there be servers that say "we have vanilla maps and map pack 1 but not 2", which divides the community further so you have the choice between vanilla maps only or servers with all the DLC too. Then if you bought the first map pack you're forced to buy the other so you can continue to play on DLC map servers, or you go to vanilla only and you wasted however much you spent on outdated maps.

So that's why I can't see this happening. If someone could come up with something that doesn't break the game that's worth paying for, I'd be glad to hear it and spend some dosh.

[Six_Ten]

Originally Posted by Major_Day

Is everybody happy with the free content we've already had (from TWI)....one new map
The answer is...no they're not
How would we feel if we'ed had to pay for it....
The answer is....... a lot more unhappy people, who might have walked away.

But you know what I am very happy with? Tripwire have gone out of their way to help us mappers. They really go above and beyond (which for them really is business as usual, its been like this for years) so we can create content.

[Moskeeto]

It's already been said, that TWI will NOT charge for content updates with the possible exception of Rising Storm. I like TWI though, so I keep supporting them with my money by buying Killing Floor skins, and I don't even play KF! Splitting the community between weapons, vehicles, or maps is a terrible idea.

[TheRealGunther]

No offense to anyone but this thread is about one thing Impatience.

New content has already been added very recently two new maps have been released just this week.Personally I think TWI has bent over backwards working on a game released over six months ago.Few games ever get the amount of patches in their lifetime this game got in the first few months.

For a small development team this is saying alot and they will continue to work on it.Not to mention the good work being done by the modders in time they will provide tons of free content using the SDK.That's another thing how many online games recently have a SDK so players can provide their own custom content ...hardly any.

Big name companies want even think about a SDK they don't want free content for their games.They want people to fork out money for shallow DLC's that is full of bugs.Personally I am grateful TWI takes the stand it does given their players a steady stream of patches and free content.Also allowing modders a powerful SDK to give even more content.

I am patient enough to wait and appreciate the hard work the devs have put in this game already as well as the modders.Regardless of what the nay sayers say this game still has a bright future.it just requires a little PATIENCE.

If its not a case of wanting new content immediately and truly want to give TWI more support do like I did buy copies of the game to give to some friends.

[r5cya]

Originally Posted by [.STORM]

I can see the "entitled" pc crowd is in full effect here, I don't know why I'm even surprised.

isn't that cute. you don't get the answer you want (cause everyone knows twi isn't ever going to charge for any new dlc to this game) and you then call those who answered, "entitled".

[Gaizokubanou]

Well I disagree with the logic of throwing more money to make development time faster, because programming is not that simple where bunch of new guys can just start churning out productive work from the start.

However, sooner or later supporting RO2 will be work that gets TWI no income. We can't honestly expect TWI or any company to just keep spending precious studio resources into projects that gets them nothing in return.

As others have pointed out, map packs are bad idea because it'll split up the community...

Only option I can see is inconsequential stuff like skin packs, just like how TWI dealt with Killing Floor DLCs.

[[DH]Chris89]

Originally Posted by [.STORM]

I was just thinking about this, maybe it's too much to ask for these days, to get free content updates, would it really hurt people that bad to shell out 10$ or maybe even 20$ if the content is worth it?

Just saying that I would GLADLY pay for new content, REAL content, not just maps, but new vehicles, weapons, class models etc.

Just about every developer these days take money for their DLC, and in my mind it's pretty fair, it takes effort to make content.

What are you guys thoughts on this?

Anything that effects gameplay that is DLC based will split the community. That includes Guns, Maps, Vehicles, Roles anything such as well will do more damage then anything. A general way to tell if a company will do DLC is by lack of mod support and lack of a SDK kit.

If anything like that happen i would refuse to pay for it. Proper expansion packs i most likely will, as i will be getting Rising Storm when released. If they want to go the same way as Killing Floor and just DLC for skins then that is fine by me as i would get them.

Originally Posted by [.STORM]

Money gets them more manpower, more manpower means outputting content and fixes faster.

I can see the "entitled" pc crowd is in full effect here, I don't know why I'm even surprised.

Money doesn't always give manpower.

Since you don't seem to be getting a positive response to your 'Idea' you seem to attack PC users instead.

I remember for many other 'AAA' games when you got new maps in new patches. Those devs have gone down milking way for fans. My brother plays BF3 and he can't play half the servers, since he doesn't have the DLC required.

Also TWI have said they will never charge for game changing DLC as that would be a death blow, as it would have been if they did that to Killing Floor (what is still getting support + Mods made offical)

[[.STORM]]

Originally Posted by r5cya

isn't that cute. you don't get the answer you want (cause everyone knows twi isn't ever going to charge for any new dlc to this game) and you then call those who answered, "entitled".

You paid for your game, you got what you paid for, it's absolutely within reason to charge for extra content.

While mods and free content is great, I'm just feeling that people have been spoiled by this.

[Cwivey]

Content for RO2 should be (as it always has been with TWI <3 ) free. Skin packs / cosmetic things I wouldn't mind if they charged for, they aint changing gameplay or stopping people from playing with guns / maps.

As for Expansion packs, I'd pay through the nose for them, especially at the quality we see in RisingStorm.

[[DH]Chris89]

Originally Posted by [.STORM]

You paid for your game, you got what you paid for, it's absolutely within reason to charge for extra content.

While mods and free content is great, I'm just feeling that people have been spoiled by this.

If you have SDK kits or Mod support you can't charge for maps or weapons as who would buy them? People would just make there own maps etc.

For being spolied about free content and mods it is a very old thing on PC games, lots of them have or did include free content during patches. Most recent example is IL2 1946 all the amount of new stuff that is continously being giving and all free.

Fair you think they should charge, but if they did you will quickly see the game die.

[Barber[FG]]

I would pay for DLC if and only if the DLC wasn’t in the form of gameplay enhancements, enhancements in the form of better tanks, weapons or equipment; but rather, I’d pay for vanity things such as uniform cosmetics and the like.

TWI promised the community more maps and more vehicles. Personally, the single most reason I don’t enjoy RO2 as much as RO1 is the horrific lack of large combined arms maps and horrible lack of combined arms available to the players.

[TheRealGunther]

Originally Posted by [DH]Chris89

For being spolied about free content and mods it is a very old thing on PC games, lots of them have or did include free content during patches.

This is why TWI is an "old school" type developer allowing mods and offering free content with patches.The problem is people are used to how big name developers operate and expect all companies to do the same. DLC's is a product of money hungry publishers like EA wanting to squeeze as much profit out of a game regardless of how it effects it in the long term.They just don't care about their product only how much moeny it makes them.

TW doesn't have a publisher controlling them and they are free to do whatever they want.I wish more developers have the freedom to do this being able to spend the time to polish a game as they see fit.Dice is a perfect example while a good dev team itself they are controlled by EA.Many of their games never get polished because they are forced to move on to the next big money grab.

BC2 is a perfect example of this even today it has many bugs that will never be fixed.The same for many games today they are lucky to see 3-4 patches in the short lifespan along with a couple shallow DLC's.The way I see it instead of wishing TWI was like other companies be thankful they are not.

As for the bigger the dev team the better Its not always the case.The bigger they are the more overhead they have cutting into their profits.The gaming community is just a very impatient and demanding bunch.I would hate to have to work for them

For their size and time I am more than happy with the work that TW has put in on their game they don't abandon their games and feel that the games they release are their pride and joy.Look at Ost and Killing floor and how much attention they have received HoS will be no different.

If you want new content that badly and cannot wait jump into the SDK and create your own.

[r5cya]

Originally Posted by [.STORM]

You paid for your game, you got what you paid for, it's absolutely within reason to charge for extra content.

While mods and free content is great, I'm just feeling that people have been spoiled by this.

this post shows just how wrong you are. especially concerning twi.
#1 we did not get what we paid for. we're still waiting for the co-op mode. it'll come. no worries there.
#2 we still haven't gotten the extra maps and vehicles they said were coming soon.
#3 the company has previously stated that we will not be paying for any dlc for RO2.
how does this make us "entitled"? or "spoiled"? i'd suggest you look the words meanings up, but it's clear that it's not the words that confuse you, but TWI history. it's all posted right here in the forums.
start with news and announcements.

[[.STORM]]

Originally Posted by r5cya

this post shows just how wrong you are. especially concerning twi.
#1 we did not get what we paid for. we're still waiting for the co-op mode. it'll come. no worries there.
#2 we still haven't gotten the extra maps and vehicles they said were coming soon.
#3 the company has previously stated that we will not be paying for any dlc for RO2.
how does this make us "entitled"? or "spoiled"? i'd suggest you look the words meanings up, but it's clear that it's not the words that confuse you, but TWI history. it's all posted right here in the forums.
start with news and announcements.

It's TWI's mistake to promise and not deliver, almost 1 year later and most of what we've got is fixing a game that was broken on release.

Considering TWI's pre-release statements and their effort post-release, I guess I can see where you're comming from.

It doesn't however change my perception, that content shouldn't be free, unless of course it's amateur modding. And even then, I've seen modding efforts like Forgotten Hope that should be rewarded compared to some other published efforts.

[r5cya]

doesn't matter to me, if you think twi is wrong about giving us stuff for free.
just don't think your going to convince anyone, by insulting them.

[giuseppe443]

Originally Posted by r5cya

#3 the company has previously stated that we will not be paying for any dlc for RO2.

i think when they said DLC they were talking about the ones made by them and not by a other group

[Moskeeto]

I'm glad we still have developers like TWI and Valve giving the players free content for their games post-launch. It was this sort of attitude from Valve that drove me into PC gaming over 2 years ago now, and I love it! I eventually discovered TWI through Killing Floor with the awesome Winter update, and now I'm a huge RO2 fan and supporter. If TWI were the type to nickel-and-dime for DLC, I don't think I would have ever discovered this game.

[Andrew Blake]

Personally I am quite happy with TWI right now, the custom maps are getting rolling. 10 custom maps out and running currently and more on the way. Which is breathing new life into the game for me, the old stock maps are so boring after playing so much. I'd rather play cod.