Can kick voting be fixed now? Please?

[Nikita]

Sorry--please ignore the tone of the thread title. As might be suspected, I just left a frustrating game before creating the thread. One player was shooting teammates in spawn until he was auto-banned for the session, our commander purposely called artillery down on friendly forces (refusing to cancel the artillery) and was also auto-banned within seconds, multiple players were spamming the voice chat with nonsense (thankfully they could be muted) and yet another player was spamming the text chat every living second with the "Ammo Needed" notification.

All of which abundantly highlighted the fact that currently, kick voting still doesn't work. Maybe it does if a magic number of people all start kick votes against the same player? But at the moment, it's quite obscure how the system works.

However, I notice that the kick voting message displayed in-game has changed since the GOTY edition was released. It no longer prompts the player to press F5 and F6 to vote to kick a player, instead merely notifying the other players that a vote kick has been started.

I'm not exactly clear on how the system works, or if it works at all, but it seems to me that the old "press a button to vote" message was quite clear to all players, new and old.

[Coopsta]

Well maybe you should have given the guy some damn ammo!

Seriously though, this problem really needs to be fixed. The list of players you can chose to vote kick never contains everyone on the team. The players you can select seem to be randomly chosen. Role kicking is equally broken. Also, the voting threshold to kick or demote a player should be lower than 50% I feel. Perhaps %40, I don't know, testing is needed.

[ross]

Role voting is in severe need of a fix as well.

[molokki]

Originally Posted by Nikita

... All of which abundantly highlighted the fact that currently, kick voting still doesn't work. Maybe it does if a magic number of people all start kick votes against the same player? But at the moment, it's quite obscure how the system works. ...

My opinion is that the voting never works or is going to. Best way (imo) is to give a player opinion to report the players to server admins (auto-include past 10min of reported the players actions from the server). Admin could then ban the player and give report to other admins and so on. It would be great to have automated system (like VAC) to share bans with other servers. So if a player gets banned from like 5 to 10 servers he/she gets a global ban.

[Mike_Nomad]

Originally Posted by molokki

My opinion is that the voting never works or is going to. Best way (imo) is to give a player opinion to report the players to server admins (auto-include past 10min of reported the players actions from the server). Admin could then ban the player and give report to other admins and so on. It would be great to have automated system (like VAC) to share bans with other servers. So if a player gets banned from like 5 to 10 servers he/she gets a global ban.

^^^^^^
THIS! Makes good sense.

All the vote kicking is flawed... too many times, I've seen abusive attempts at using it by punks and elitist fools.

We turned it all off. And.... turned PB up to high.

[Kerc Kasha]

Reporting players to admins is all well and good (why would you need a system though.. the admin would be there and would see the team killing) but role voting should exist. There is far too many useless people taking slots that require them to be somewhat experienced. So many maps(especially in classic mode) require the attackers to have a very proactive commander, not having role voting working properly is a major hindrance in the public sphere. Admins shouldn't have to be on 24/7 to kick useless commanders, there should just be a working role voting system.

[molokki]

Originally Posted by Kerc Kasha

Reporting players to admins is all well and good (why would you need a system though.. the admin would be there and would see the team killing) but role voting should exist. There is far too many useless people taking slots that require them to be somewhat experienced. So many maps(especially in classic mode) require the attackers to have a very proactive commander, not having role voting working properly is a major hindrance in the public sphere. Admins shouldn't have to be on 24/7 to kick useless commanders, there should just be a working role voting system.

System is needed if the player just moves into other servers (continues abusing/TK/harassing). So if this continues to happen then the rest of the servers automatically bans the player

[Mike_Nomad]

Originally Posted by Kerc Kasha

Reporting players to admins is all well and good (why would you need a system though.. the admin would be there and would see the team killing) but role voting should exist. There is far too many useless people taking slots that require them to be somewhat experienced. So many maps(especially in classic mode) require the attackers to have a very proactive commander, not having role voting working properly is a major hindrance in the public sphere. Admins shouldn't have to be on 24/7 to kick useless commanders, there should just be a working role voting system.

And..... there are far too many elitist know-it-alls who think only they should take these spots thereby depriving other users the golden opportunity to learn how to properly play the positions.

Compromise is key here.

ALL Vote Kicking is an abomination as it is now.

[=GG= Mr Moe]

I have personally never seen it abused. In other words, a vote brought up against a person who didn't deserve it.

Unfortunately the system is somewhat flawed now because even when a vote is brought up against someone griefing or tk'ing (and I mean obvious), its a slow laborious process that few people bother to vote on even after a vote is brought up.

Now, it is there for a reason. I also understand that server admins can turn it off if they want which is fine to. But when it is left on, it should at least work properly.

[Mike_Nomad]

Originally Posted by =GG= Mr Moe

I have personally never seen it abused. In other words, a vote brought up against a person who didn't deserve it.

Run a server and you'll see plenty.... you just aren't in the right places at the right times.

Originally Posted by =GG= Mr Moe

Unfortunately the system is somewhat flawed now because even when a vote is brought up against someone griefing or tk'ing (and I mean obvious), its a slow laborious process that few people bother to vote on even after a vote is brought up.

Admins are there for that purpose, far too many times I've seen goofs attempt a vote kick for laughs.... or whatever reason but not for the right reasons.

Originally Posted by =GG= Mr Moe

Now, it is there for a reason. I also understand that server admins can turn it off if they want which is fine to. But when it is left on, it should at least work properly.

True. Its better left off to avoid it becoming a toy for the nitwits.

[=GG= Mr Moe]

Having the vote kick system fail for whatever reason (difficulty, lack of notification, bugs, etc whatever) for players trying to get rid of troublesome players is far worse off than having the occasional dope trying to start a vote kick (I have yet to see this) which most players would ignore if the player is ok and not TK'ing etc.

Great if you have a server with an admin on almost full time and want to turn it off, but most servers do not. AND if those server admins who aren't around want to have the vote system in place, then it should at least work properly. IF IT IS IN PLACE, IT SHOULD WORK, PERIOD.

[ross]

Originally Posted by Mike_Nomad

And..... there are far too many elitist know-it-alls who think only they should take these spots thereby depriving other users the golden opportunity to learn how to properly play the positions.

Compromise is key here.

ALL Vote Kicking is an abomination as it is now.

I'm pretty sure that is why it is a voting system. There is not some grand conspiracy of experienced players who will all jump on someone who's doing just fine so their fellow experienced player can get the slot. On the other hand, there is a dire need for a system that works and can get useless players out of important slots.

If they want to learn how to play, they can ask someone, or find an experienced player with the class and follow them around, watching what they do. They can also play SP, or join a bot server. Right now probably the worst instance I've seen of people being useless with a slot is snipers using their rifle as a rifle with training wheels and trying to collect easy kills rather than keeping MGs and enemy snipers down. I couldn't care less if I get their slot or not - just as long as somebody competent does.

[Mike_Nomad]

Originally Posted by ross

I'm pretty sure that is why it is a voting system. There is not some grand conspiracy of experienced players who will all jump on someone who's doing just fine so their fellow experienced player can get the slot. On the other hand, there is a dire need for a system that works and can get useless players out of important slots.

If they want to learn how to play, they can ask someone, or find an experienced player with the class and follow them around, watching what they do. They can also play SP, or join a bot server. Right now probably the worst instance I've seen of people being useless with a slot is snipers using their rifle as a rifle with training wheels and trying to collect easy kills rather than keeping MGs and enemy snipers down. I couldn't care less if I get their slot or not - just as long as somebody competent does.

Please, spare me the posturing.... TRUTH: Abuse of Vote Kicking is often attempted.

Yes, is the answer to the use of vote kicking for advantage, vengeance or laughs. Ask any experienced Server Admin. It happens.

As for the TL and SL slots..... or even Sniper positions, the best teacher is experience. There is no denying that fact. The true levels of competency come with experience. That competency must be learned; not through questions but through doing and practice.

The best Vote Kicker is an Admin.

[Holy.Death]

While it'd be best to have good Admin around, for a variety of reasons, vote kicking should be functional nevertheless to give players some power when Admin is not around to do something about a player who is not doing his job. If somebody is destroying the match and Admin is not around then you have two choices: leave the game or suffer the incompetence. However, the game lacks a good training ground (missions in campaign are very vague at best and often don't help squad leaders or commanders), that's why I try to be forgiving for players who have to try stuff when they join multiplayer game.

Originally Posted by Mike Nomad

Please, spare me the posturing.... TRUTH: Abuse of Vote Kicking is often attempted.

It doesn't mean that voice system shouldn't be operational or included in game. In Left 4 Dead series there is a voice kick system also and it was used as designed more often than not, but you could see more clearly who was doing his job there. I hope squad system will be refined, so we'll be able to see who is doing what with more clarity, making vote system used better than it's possible today.

[Mike_Nomad]

Originally Posted by Mike_Nomad

Please, spare me the posturing.... TRUTH: Abuse of Vote Kicking is often attempted.

Originally Posted by Holy.Death

It doesn't mean that voice system shouldn't be operational or included in game. In Left 4 Dead series there is a voice kick system also and it was used as designed more often than not, but you could see more clearly who was doing his job there. I hope squad system will be refined, so we'll be able to see who is doing what with more clarity, making vote system used better than it's possible today.

Huh?? We're talking about Vote Kicking.... I play RO2 not L4D.

[Holy.Death]

Originally Posted by Mike Nomad

Huh?? We're talking about Vote Kicking....

So am I.

Originally Posted by Mike Nomad

I play RO2 not L4D.

I am allowed to give examples of working vote kick system in a game where there is no admin around to kick troublesome people. Admins are people just like any other, so we need back up system to carry on.

[Mike_Nomad]

And the POINT you are fumbling about trying to make is WHAT?

KICK VOTING is turned OFF on our Servers specifically to avoid problems..

[Nikita]

Originally Posted by Mike_Nomad

And the POINT you are fumbling about trying to make is WHAT?

KICK VOTING is turned OFF on our Servers specifically to avoid problems..

I think the point they are trying to make is that if a vote kicking system is shipped with the game, then it should function properly as opposed to being broken.

That's wonderful that kick voting is turned off in your beautiful servers, but other servers choose to supplement admins with the kick voting system. That's their choice, regardless of what you choose to do with your own servers. Personally, most attempts to kick vote in-game that I've seen are extremely justified.

[Mike_Nomad]

Originally Posted by Nikita

I think the point they are trying to make is that if a vote kicking system is shipped with the game, then it should function properly as opposed to being broken.

Agreed, it should function as designed. Whether or not its put to use is Admin discretionary.

Originally Posted by Nikita

That's wonderful that kick voting is turned off in your beautiful servers, but other servers choose to supplement admins with the kick voting system. That's their choice, regardless of what you choose to do with your own servers. Personally, most attempts to kick vote in-game that I've seen are extremely justified.

Exactly correct. Especially when one considers experience is the best teacher. How many hours in Administering Servers do you rely upon? These authoritive opinions are based upon what? Actual Server Administration or conjecture and casual play experience?

Fact is, some of our other Admin have had goofs trying to kick them with Kick Voting. Therefore in reality, it is abused or, at least the attempts at abusing the feature are present.

In the end, its an Admin choice and we've made ours based upon our own experiences.

[Yoshiro]

The kick voting system is functional. But it requires players to use the kick voting menu accessible through the escape menu. By default it is set to take action at a 50% majority vote but that can be tweaked by admins.