Not every one can play the Germans

[Nezzer]

Originally Posted by Sir Reginald

FYI
Apartments update
TO win as the germans SL camp in the left side where the fix MG is, Letting Team spawns on him
You Can Kill Off Half the Russian reinforcements by the time the Russians cap the 2 bridges

Apartments was much better when the Russians had only one spawnpoint in the middle of the river after capturing both bridges. Now most Russians spawn on spawn 1 and get slaughtered by MGs in that bulding in the left of the spawn exit.

[Sir Reginald]

Originally Posted by Nezzer

Apartments was much better when the Russians had only one spawnpoint in the middle of the river after capturing both bridges. Now most Russians spawn on spawn 1 and get slaughtered by MGs in that bulding in the left of the spawn exit.

Yep

[Nikita]

Originally Posted by Nezzer

Apartments was much better when the Russians had only one spawnpoint in the middle of the river after capturing both bridges. Now most Russians spawn on spawn 1 and get slaughtered by MGs in that bulding in the left of the spawn exit.

There is an absurdly easy way to deal with campers in that building. Simply use the right exit to Spawn 1, run across the street, and chuck grenades into the upper window of that left building. If you do it right, you will take out any Germans camping the stairs.

As for the left alley with the fixed HMG, just don't go that way.

The issue with having only the Middle Spawn is that Germans in the building in Grid D5 can camp the left entrance of the middle spawn, forcing all Russians to use the right exit--which is also easily covered by enemy fire.

[Sir Reginald]

Originally Posted by Nikita

There is an absurdly easy way to deal with campers in that building. Simply use the right exit to Spawn 1, run across the street, and chuck grenades into the upper window of that left building. If you do it right, you will take out any Germans camping the stairs.

As for the left alley with the fixed HMG, just don't go that way.

The issue with having only the Middle Spawn is that Germans in the building in Grid D5 can camp the left entrance of the middle spawn, forcing all Russians to use the right exit--which is also easily covered by enemy fire.

You DO know that it safer on the number 2 spawn next to the fix MG he cant shoot you there, it the people on the right he has a clear line of sight of in the 1 spawn where most people spawn

[Nikita]

Originally Posted by Sir Reginald

You DO know that it safer on the number 2 spawn next to the fix MG he cant shoot you there, it the people on the right he has a clear line of sight of in the 1 spawn where most people spawn

I know.

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[Bluehawk]

I almost always play as Russians; all of my German weapons are below lvl 25 except for the Kar98k. BUT I will go German if the teams are royally stacked or auto-balancing forces me to. I don't mind being the murderer-invader-serpent-hitlerites, but I've played as them for so many years in other WW2 games that I'm just tired of them. I have Teutonic Fatigue Syndrome.

Whereas the RKKA is an endless font of untapped bounties brimming and bubbling for anyone to taste... and yet they don't.

[tixhal]

Originally Posted by Bluehawk

I have Teutonic Fatigue Syndrome.

lol, good one .
i don't really have a preference regarding teams. i join the team with less players (most of the time russian), if they are even i choose the team i haven't played that map with in a while. both sides are interesting to play, people who religiously stick to one team have no idea what they are missing.
imo apartments is more interesting/challenging to play as germans because most of the time the russians win, sometimes, if the german defense is solid they struggle to get the first two caps and lose lots of reinforcements in the process, significantly reducing their chances to cap all zones.
on the other hand red october factory is a bit too easy as germans for my taste. find good positions and slaughter away. i really like the difficulty of that map when playing russians, the initial charges are an epic sight. when well coordinated and using smoke and arty properly it's not too hard to push the germans back. winning this map as russian is one of the most rewarding experiences in the game.
in conclusion: play as whatever team you like, but if you exclusively play one team, you only play 50% of the game.

[Nezzer]

Originally Posted by Nikita

There is an absurdly easy way to deal with campers in that building. Simply use the right exit to Spawn 1, run across the street, and chuck grenades into the upper window of that left building. If you do it right, you will take out any Germans camping the stairs.

As for the left alley with the fixed HMG, just don't go that way.

The issue with having only the Middle Spawn is that Germans in the building in Grid D5 can camp the left entrance of the middle spawn, forcing all Russians to use the right exit--which is also easily covered by enemy fire.

Yeah I know, but 80% of the Russian team prefers to take the left building and get mowed down by MGs over and over agains until the Russians are out of reinforcements.

[echutter]

Not true. I always play the Germans. Unless we have a garbage team leader.

[The Beast (nl)]

Which side isn`t for me the question. I prefer to be the attacker instead of the defender.

So i am in apartsments a russian and spartanovka a german.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by Nezzer

something I'd really like to see is a mutator or a server option in which you can't choose your team Very often I see basically only vets on the German team and only newbies on the Russian one.

If this happens I'll just stop playing the game. Come on man, this is ridiculous. This is not like CoD to be able to play with all the weapons. I can't stand the russian weapons, they are crappy for me, and I don't like their voices, and uniforms. If you force me to play in their team I will simply quit. I doubt its just me. As you can see other guys are in the same boat as well ->

Originally Posted by Vapid

I refuse to fight for Uncle Joe, even in a virtual environment. I loathe the Soviets' voices, uniforms, weapons and ideology. The Germans are cooler, I'm used to killing tan-coloured pixels at range and I have a much better handling of the Axis weaponry - plus I am used to their voices/communication.

As has been said, we have a choice who to fight for/play as, and I prefer the Axis. I don't like playing as the Soviets because it means I have to adjust my playing style, figure out how to best use their weapons (all of which I hate - they feel cheap and inferior, plus the AVT probably shouldn't even be in the game anyway) and on the few occasions I have played as the Soviets I've done an unhealthy amount of accidental team-killing because I instinctively shoot anything that's tan. Forgive the pun, but I see Red.

Just leave the system as it is. Its easier for us. Everybody can just switch team after he joins or reconnect and try his "luck" again so the game assign him to his desired team.

Originally Posted by Nezzer

Very often I see basically only vets on the German team and only newbies on the Russian one.

Yeah, because all the kids want to be the good guys (and the vets want the superior german weaponry :P )

[Golf33]

That's a bit sad really.

[Gudenrath]

Originally Posted by Golf33

That's a bit sad really.

I agree. I just don't get people who only play on one team. I would get bored very quickly for lack of variation.

[Nezzer]

Originally Posted by Rattler

If this happens I'll just stop playing the game. Come on man, this is ridiculous. This is not like CoD to be able to play with all the weapons. I can't stand the russian weapons, they are crappy for me, and I don't like their voices, and uniforms. If you force me to play in their team I will simply quit. I doubt its just me. As you can see other guys are in the same boat as well ->



Just leave the system as it is. Its easier for us. Everybody can just switch team after he joins or reconnect and try his "luck" again so the game assign him to his desired team.

I know, but it's a suggestion for an optional mutator. Good to play on pub, but terrible to play with your clan. I remember seeing some servers with a smiliar mutator and I just got a bit nostalgic

Yeah, because all the kids want to be the good guys (and the vets want the superior german weaponry :P )

It's all the same to me. A Kar98k is just as good as a Mosin Nagant for me in the game. I prefer the PPSh over the MP40, but I rarely use SMGs. The problem is that there are (or at least were in RO1) just sooo many nazi and commie RO players, 80% of those just nazis or pure anti-commies, so it's not really balanced

[Mekhazzio]

Isn't this phenomenon reversed on the redorchestra.ru servers? I seem to recall that there, it's the Russian team that gets flocked to, and the general perception is that the maps and weapons are skewed to the Russian side. I always found that an amusing data point.

Personally, I don't understand why someone would limit themselves to one side in a game like this. There's no side-reversing (oddly) so by doing that, you're missing out on half the play on every A/D map. Doing it for weapons is particularly strange considering that that most weapons for the two sides have identical or nearly-identical stats. The only real difference is in the SMGs, and you can find plenty of people to argue that either one of them is the best.

[Proud_God]

This Axis-only attitude also doesn't help the clan scene. What if two Axis-only clans want to duke it out, etc...

[MeFirst]

Well you cant do much about the number of the german loving crowd. It will be pretty similar when RS will be out I guess. A lot of people will mainly play the U.S side. Guess I have to play the japanese a lot because they have less players. However especially in WW2 games a lot of people pick the german side because they think they are "cool". The picture is mostly painted by not so good documentaries that display weapons and troops of the axis side in a brighter light as it should be. Also there is also a number of people who pick the german side for lets call it "political reasons". WW2 games are not the exclusive battlefield for those people. Im quite sure they also play other popular games like Starcraft, WoW, Cod, Battlefield etc. However the chance to meet those people is probably higher in games with a focus on a WW2 scenario.

[TrOOper]

I play online games to have fun, not to make some sort of political statement...

[Sir Reginald]

Originally Posted by Mekhazzio

Isn't this phenomenon reversed on the redorchestra.ru servers? I seem to recall that there, it's the Russian team that gets flocked to, and the general perception is that the maps and weapons are skewed to the Russian side. I always found that an amusing data point.

Personally, I don't understand why someone would limit themselves to one side in a game like this. There's no side-reversing (oddly) so by doing that, you're missing out on half the play on every A/D map. Doing it for weapons is particularly strange considering that that most weapons for the two sides have identical or nearly-identical stats. The only real difference is in the SMGs, and you can find plenty of people to argue that either one of them is the best.

The Reason most people flock to the German side is on most maps it just much easier to play German.
Sad but true
TWI re-balanced the Apartment map ,it was one of the few map balanced towards the Russians
But all the maps out of Balance towards the Germans TWI has never touched
Even the new map that was unbalanced even in beta the never fixed before releasing it
It just seem funny if the Russians win a map it gets re-balanced ,if the Germans win it ok.
This is from someone that plays mostly Germans
It just bad for game when a map starts, most people all ready know who going to win a map
TWI needs to look at the maps and re-balance them as needed
They need also to take a good look at themselves
Re-balancing one of the few maps the Russians could win an leaving all the unbalanced maps the Germans win all the time alone is just poor work

[Panzerjoust]

Originally Posted by MeFirst

Well you cant do much about the number of the german loving crowd. It will be pretty similar when RS will be out I guess. A lot of people will mainly play the U.S side. Guess I have to play the japanese a lot because they have less players. However especially in WW2 games a lot of people pick the german side because they think they are "cool". The picture is mostly painted by not so good documentaries that display weapons and troops of the axis side in a brighter light as it should be. Also there is also a number of people who pick the german side for lets call it "political reasons". WW2 games are not the exclusive battlefield for those people. Im quite sure they also play other popular games like Starcraft, WoW, Cod, Battlefield etc. However the chance to meet those people is probably higher in games with a focus on a WW2 scenario.

I'll admit, the Nazis did a lot of bad things, but what about the Japanese? Hollywood doesn't mention the US Marines they buried alive, or the thousands of German citizens raped and murdered in Berlin at the end of the war by the Soviets, do they?