Killing Floor Gold Box - and female character!

[C_Gibby]

Originally Posted by [TW]Wilsonam

Correct on the first part. And on the second part, the whole point is that you can trade all the other pieces as Steam items! Oh - and the prices won't be $40 on the US webstore.

So basically, when those who already own all the DLC for KF and a copy of KF itself buy the Gold Edition, they get that nice female character, and the DLC and the copy of the game can be reserved as a gift?

Sounds good!

[pixel]

Killing Floor females comparison: Retail vs. mod (clickable)

[[TW]Ramm-Jaeger]

Originally Posted by [TW]Wilsonam

Just to make the thanks to Iceberg quite clear - they all love the game so much that they actually commissioned the work to get a female character in game. They did all the voice work - we did some script tweaks and plugged the pieces together. So they get the exclusive box as a thanks. And now, we have the tech in place for us to produce female DLC for the rest of our lives

Hear hear!!! 3 cheers for Iceberg. You know publishers are supposed to be evil, but the Iceberg guys are such big fans, and wanted female characters so bad, they put their money where their mouths are and paid for the whole thing. So they get a single exclusive character for their box, and in the future KF gets lots more female characters. It's a win win for everyone.

[~YoYo~]

I don't like this at all. Why should I have to buy a whole new copy of the game for a new skin? Sure I get all the other DLC and a free copy of the game, but why am I being forced to buy it in the first place? Why not release the skin as a singular DLC? I know it makes more sense from a financial point of view for tripwire to not do this, but it's also harder on the customers. All of my friends already own Killing Floor and the DLC, so I'd be buying this and have no-one to give the extras too. I love Tripwire as a company, I love Killing Floor, and I love RO but this is just a bad decision. Over a million copies(not counting mac sales, however small they may be) have already been sold, no need to force people to buy more copies.

[Black_Knight]

Couple of questions regarding this.

1. Is the physical copy going to have to be connected to Steam? Because I'd rather get away from invasive DRM if I actually own the bloody thing and not have that on lease from Valve too.

2. Is there any other incentive to buy this pack more than you get all your original stuff back to trade on Steam and a really expensive single skin? (Will it include previous promotion skins?)



To be perfectly frank, Tripwire should just release a promotion pack that's twice as much as a normal one, but you'd get promotional skins like TF2, RO2, and the female skin. And people will buy it anyway because those skins are coveted.

[algnc]

Originally Posted by [TW]Wilsonam

No, you don't have to buy from Europe. And the extras are all TRADEABLE...

Yeah that's great but I don't know anyone who doesn't own the game yet, and most of the DLCs. Bleh, I usually root for y'all but this is such a bad call :/

[C_Gibby]

I don't wanna sound like a big fanboy here or anything, but @ people who aren't keen on buying the gold edition for the character, consider the fact that you also happen to be buying a free copy of the game with all the DLC.

I personally think that's a pretty cool investment. Why? Because you can give it to a friend. I've done the same thing with other games, and it pretty much meant that I can make someone really happy on their birthday or christmas or as a random act of kindness. You're forgetting that part completely.

If they were asking you to pay all that money for the character alone, I would side with you on it. But that's not what they're doing.

It's like the RO2/The Ball promos again. People were forgetting the fact that they were also buying a new game with it.

So remember people, when you drop 25 euros on this character, don't forget that you also get a free full copy of KF for a lifetime on steam with 6 whole character packs!

Logic is fun

[Slappy Cromwell]

Making the purchase of a boxed edition (massively unpopular, if not outright obsolete, in PC gaming) of the Killing Floor be the sole method of obtaining this female character is a remarkably flawed decision. A female skin has been a highly requested feature for years now, so I'm not surprised it's finally happening since it's guaranteed money in the bank. But not like this.

The one common factor between the people who made those requests for a female character is that they already own the game. There's no reason for them to buy it again. You're just tagging on redundant baggage to inflate the price. It's honestly difficult to see it any other way. You want to highlight the "tradeable" item part, but there are two problems there: 1. The Steam trading market is complete garbage and most sane individuals would prefer to steer far clear from it, and 2. Killing Floor is not that valuable on the trading market anyway due to the frequent $5 sales. The extra copy could simply be given away as a gift, but considering all of the sales KF has already had, most potential giftees have received one by now (you only have so many friends to give KF to!) and potential gifters will simply wait for the next inevitable Steam sale to snatch it at a good price. An expensive boxed copy is just not logistically or economically sound.

I don't think there's much more to say since this news is guaranteed to cause, and is already receiving, an almost universally negative reception with absolutely nothing to rebut that sentiment. Many players would eat up a affordably priced female character DLC. As the situation stands, however, few consumers are that interested in buying a boxed PC game (compared to Steam's prices? No deal) and few existing KF players will be desperate enough to pay full retail (perhaps quadruple or even more than they spent on the base game already) just to get one female skin. In the end, Tripwire don't get no money and the players don't get no female character. Everybody loses. Sadness abound. I hope the future female skins are handled better.

Edit: If Iceberg already put up the money, then I guess Tripwire is in the clear here. It's just us who lose, I suppose.

[~YoYo~]

Originally Posted by C_Gibby

I don't wanna sound like a big fanboy here or anything, but @ people who aren't keen on buying the gold edition for the character, consider the fact that you also happen to be buying a free copy of the game with all the DLC.

I personally think that's a pretty cool investment. Why? Because you can give it to a friend. I've done the same thing with other games, and it pretty much meant that I can make someone really happy on their birthday or christmas or as a random act of kindness. You're forgetting that part completely.

If they were asking you to pay all that money for the character alone, I would side with you on it. But that's not what they're doing.

It's like the RO2/The Ball promos again. People were forgetting the fact that they were also buying a new game with it.

So remember people, when you drop 25 euros on this character, don't forget that you also get a free full copy of KF for a lifetime on steam with 6 whole character packs!

Logic is fun

We understand that, but as myself and others are saying, all of our friends have these things as well. Sure it's cool that we get them, but what do we do with them? All of our friends already have it so they can't take it, am I going to give it to my mom for mothers day? I don't think she likes shooting naked ladies who turn invisible very much. I agree with the poster who said tripwire should release a Promopack DLC with all of the promotional characters, people would buy that like hotcakes without any complaints, myself included, but having to buy a whole new copy of the game and all the DLC is just too much.

[pixel]

Originally Posted by Black_Knight

1. Is the physical copy going to have to be connected to Steam?

Yes, since Killing Floor is a steamworks title.

invasive DRM

Luckily for you it doesn't nave GFWL or Origin

[Swanky]

Originally Posted by Slappy Cromwell

It's just us who lose, I suppose.

How can we lose something we didn't have in the first place?

I can understand most of these thoughts, but when they say there'll be many more females in the future, I don't see any problem with having one character less. But if it means that all female characters would be locked then, well good luck trying to split the community.

Does this Gold Edition mean we get any new updates, as with the weight bugs and the double Hand Cannon pickup bug?

[Ki11s0n3]

You could of at least made it so people who own the game and all the DLC get the character, that would at least be fair to the players who have been supporting you since the beginning.

[Faneca]

Wait, let me get this straight :

I allready own the game and all DLC packs, all bought via Steam.
I have to buy the Gold Edition to get the female character?
When I activate the key on my Steam account the character will be unlocked and the game and DLC from the Gold Edition will be added to my inventory?

[Yoshiro]

Originally Posted by Faneca

Wait, let me get this straight :

I allready own the game and all DLC packs, all bought via Steam.
I have to buy the Gold Edition to get the female character?
When I activate the key on my Steam account the character will be unlocked and the game and DLC from the Gold Edition will be added to my inventory?

Correct, if you want this character.

[braindead]

Originally Posted by Yoshiro

Correct, if you want this character.

Tell you the truth, I am not happy with the way this played out, although I am happy there is finally a female character but being as this was commissioned by a 3rd party company, I can accept and understand the way it's being sold.

[Faneca]

Originally Posted by Yoshiro

Correct, if you want this character.

Ffffff-. I think it would be a viable option to be able to just buy the character by paying a seperate fee on Steam.
I can't find KF anywhere in Portugal since it barely was imported to here when since it came out. If I want to buy a boxed edition I have to cough up some major € to get it shipped.
You're lucky I got my braces removed today and I'm in a good mood so I'll buy the Gold Edition. You better not try to **** us over and become greedy capitalists like InfinityWard otherwise I will lose my love for you guys and take that and my money elsewhere.
And I think you just pissed off most of your community.

[Splatpope]

Originally Posted by Slappy Cromwell

Making the purchase of a boxed edition (massively unpopular, if not outright obsolete, in PC gaming) of the Killing Floor be the sole method of obtaining this female character is a remarkably flawed decision. A female skin has been a highly requested feature for years now, so I'm not surprised it's finally happening since it's guaranteed money in the bank. But not like this.

The one common factor between the people who made those requests for a female character is that they already own the game. There's no reason for them to buy it again. You're just tagging on redundant baggage to inflate the price. It's honestly difficult to see it any other way. You want to highlight the "tradeable" item part, but there are two problems there: 1. The Steam trading market is complete garbage and most sane individuals would prefer to steer far clear from it, and 2. Killing Floor is not that valuable on the trading market anyway due to the frequent $5 sales. The extra copy could simply be given away as a gift, but considering all of the sales KF has already had, most potential giftees have received one by now (you only have so many friends to give KF to!) and potential gifters will simply wait for the next inevitable Steam sale to snatch it at a good price. An expensive boxed copy is just not logistically or economically sound.

I don't think there's much more to say since this news is guaranteed to cause, and is already receiving, an almost universally negative reception with absolutely nothing to rebut that sentiment. Many players would eat up a affordably priced female character DLC. As the situation stands, however, few consumers are that interested in buying a boxed PC game (compared to Steam's prices? No deal) and few existing KF players will be desperate enough to pay full retail (perhaps quadruple or even more than they spent on the base game already) just to get one female skin. In the end, Tripwire don't get no money and the players don't get no female character. Everybody loses. Sadness abound. I hope the future female skins are handled better.

Edit: If Iceberg already put up the money, then I guess Tripwire is in the clear here. It's just us who lose, I suppose.

Can't explain my feelings better than this, it's simply bull**** to require us to spend even more cash.

And don't even try going on with that "you get a tradable full pack" cause we already bought loads during the 1 million sales discount party.

And I already own a boxed version, this makes me feel like I'm being in front of yet another mainstream game with retarded super cool gold preorder exclusive stuff, come on, what's the deal here ?

[Black_Knight]

Originally Posted by pixel

Yes, since Killing Floor is a steamworks title.

Luckily for you it doesn't nave GFWL or Origin

Well, that's a no sale for me if that's true.

Comparing Steam to Origin is like comparing rancid food to inedible food, both are terrible for you. Read Steam's ToS, you'd be surprised how similar they are. (Though Valve has better customer support, so I'll give you that.)


Either way, there really isn't an incentive to get the Gold Edition unless you're an extremely hardcore KF fan or just an obsessive compulsive collector who bought Tripwire Interactive's other games just to get the KF skins. This is selling a full bloody game to people who already own that game, and then giving them an extra copy of that game to trade for other steam games, or as [TW]Wilsonam put it, 'TF2 hats'. This is one of those ideas that looks great on paper to increase name recognition, but in practice, it just reeks of an EA-sqe marketing tactic.


In terms of making money, I'd bet you a week's pay that a 'promo-pack' DLC would outsell the 'gold box'. (I'm shameless enough to say I'd buy that pack since I like the RO2 skins, but know I won't get them because I'll never play RO2.)

But considering how much has already been done towards this deal, there's no turning back and there's bugger all that can be done from the consumer end to influence the outcome.

[lammah]

The picture of the $10 KF box on the TWI webstore has been updated to show the gold edition. Is that what we need to buy to get it? It's not very clear.

Besides I don't mind buying another copy, I can always gift it ! Which I did many times before.

[Spicy]

Grumbling about having to buy the gold edition.

If you're never bought a copy of the game or copies of the DLC to gift to your friends, I can understand. You don't want to buy another whole copy of the game for one small piece of content. I can see why some wouldn't want to do that. However, as some that has bought multiple copies of Killing Floor and the DLC character packs, I don't see it as a huge deal. Mainly because it's another copy of the game I can gift to a friend. The DLC packs I can gift to friends that may have KF but not have the packs. Plus, it's just another way of supporting Tripwire, so in my opinion, it's win-win.

That said, let's look down the road a few/ 6/ 12 months. Sure, buying the Gold Box is the only way to get the female character. For right now. As Yoshiro and Wilsonam posted on page 1, it'd sure be a waste of effort for them to only make 1 female character. Sounds like future DLC character packs to me. Who's to say that Ash Harding wouldn't be included in the first one? Even if she's not, and remains Gold Box exclusive, I don't mind that. I don't have the pre-order character for The Ball. And as much as I'd like a character that would fulfill my fantasy of Indiana Jones running around shooting things with a Revolver and some sort of melee weapon, I can live without that.

tl;dr
If you don't want to buy the Gold Box just for a female character, then don't. But some of us will and we'll just end up gifting the extras to our friends and spread the fun that is Killing Floor. Be patient, because this was just announced today, the ship date is well over 1 month off, and Tripwire will most likely announce more female-character DLC in the future.