Are the Germans ever getting proper winter clothing?

[Nezzer]

The lack of winter clothing for the Germans is something that's been bugging me since ROOST. I've never minded it that much, since there some of them would be given greatcoats and there were plenty of skin mods. Now that I played the last version of Mamayev Kurgan I think it's become a lot more noticeable with that really cold atmosphere the map now has and seeing Germans running around on summer clothes breaks a lot of that atmosphere for me.

I know almost everyone in the community would want that after seeing the results of several polls and discussions about winter clothing, but I'd like to know what's TWI's take on this and if they could give us some better skins for the Germans in the future. Small things like that give immersion a good boost

[Golf33]

I bet the Germans in the Kessel asked the same question!

J/k

[Nezzer]

Originally Posted by Golf33

I bet the Germans in the Kessel asked the same question!

J/k

Well, you won't find a single picture of a German soldier wearing only a wool tunic during the winter in Stalingrad, unless it's a dead soldier of course, because anyone wearing that would be dead in a matter of minutes. Try going outside when it's -30°C wearing nothing more than that

This has already been discussed to death on these forums. Every fighting soldier wore proper winter clothing in Stalingrad. Shortage of equipment =/= total lack of equipment.

[Andrew Blake]

Originally Posted by Nezzer

Well, you won't find a single picture of a German soldier wearing only a wool tunic during the winter in Stalingrad, unless it's a dead soldier of course, because anyone wearing that would be dead in a matter of minutes. Try going outside when it's -30°C wearing nothing more than that

I have jumped around stark naked in the snow at -30°C without dying in a few minutes. Not that I would ever do it at -50°C.. I commend any russian dude who have done that.
But on topic walking around in that cold with little clothes would kill you in a few days. So they didn't wear summer wool tunic's.

[Filo90]

+1

[Frell]

Of course not! Dont you remember? Alot of germans died during the russian winters

Realism++

[Crusher]

I notice the germans are actually better camouflaged, especially on maps like mamayev and redoctoberfactory. The whole map ranges from white-ish to grey to quite dark grey. I've had times I get in a building and don't notice the german standing in a corner because it was just a mess of grey. Russians however shine out of the environment with their white clothes.

[Lanter]

I'm not big on history, and don't mean to pretend that I am. But as far as I know, German forces on the east front were in fact poorly equipped.

[Nezzer]

Originally Posted by Lanter

I'm not big on history, and don't mean to pretend that I am. But as far as I know, German forces on the east front were in fact poorly equipped.

They were poorly equipped, but that doesn't mean they'd fight wearing summer uniforms.

Spoiler!

Do you see any of them wearing summer uniforms?

[Golf33]

J/k = just kidding, for those who didn't get it.

[The_Emperor]

Nice one Nezzer! Constant bombarding will eventually bring Greatcoats for the Wehrmacht.

I can tell by myself - as I did a field test on myself - that there's a huge difference between standard field tunic only and standard tunic + greatcoat at -20°C. After maybe 10 -15mins I was hardly willing to lift the weapon (softair MP40). With greatcoat I did endure far longer.
So there's quite a difference between it. Germans ingame were hardly able to fight the Red Army on winter maps. Cold alone would cripple their fighting power.

[Nezzer]

Originally Posted by Golf33

J/k = just kidding, for those who didn't get it.

Ah, sorry about that. I know what it means, but I either didn't really notice that or thought it was your sig. I was almost sleeping when I posted it

Originally Posted by The_Emperor

Nice one Nezzer! Constant bombarding will eventually bring Greatcoats for the Wehrmacht.

I can tell by myself - as I did a field test on myself - that there's a huge difference between standard field tunic only and standard tunic + greatcoat at -20°C. After maybe 10 -15mins I was hardly willing to lift the weapon (softair MP40). With greatcoat I did endure far longer.
So there's quite a difference between it. Germans ingame were hardly able to fight the Red Army on winter maps. Cold alone would cripple their fighting power.

Yeah, I know you've been supporting this for a long time as well. There's actually no reason to not support this unless it's for the sake of making teams a lot different from each other. Even so, German greatcoats (dark green) are darker than Russian ones (light brown), so I don't think that would be a problem, though I honestly wouldn't care much if it was.

I opened this thread in the beta section to discuss about its inclusion on a future build of the beta for testing, that's why I didn't post it on this section. But if the mods would rather have it on this section, I won't object

[[Mad_Murdock]]

Originally Posted by Nezzer

This has already been discussed to death on these forums.

I was gonna say, i think German greatcoats have finally tied with "mg42" and "RO2 is dead" as the most posted thing here.

I do, however, agree wholeheartedly that the Wehrmacht needs their winter clothes. Especially since the greatcoat animation is already available. Im sure we'll get around to it at some point but its lack sltill puzzles me. Given the detail spent on uniforms it doesnt really make sense.

I understand the team differentiation argument, but i have to say most people who play RO could probably tell the difference between a German soldier and a Soviet one.

[roeland666]

+1 totally agreed
perhaps add some field caps to? 'cause most of the German soldiers didn't wear there helmets because it was to cold or something. Don't know the reason actually but I just know they wore there field caps during the winter.
(Sorry for my English grammar)

[Krobar]

Spoiler!

Is he really warm or is he just that fat?

[Nezzer]

Originally Posted by Krobar

Spoiler!

Is he really warm or is he just that fat?

It's Sergeant Schultz. Do you think the Germans were low on food only because the Russians closed the Kessel?

[cucamonster]

I also want greatcoats for the germans, but I also expect more player model variety, Why NO russian normal riflemen Wear helmet in this game ?

Just cause i have a rifle it means i don't wear a helmet ?
And ALL assaults have helmets, it would be nice to see some guys wearing instead of the regular Pilotka:helmets, or even bandages in their heads, different clothing, or additions of clothing (like a sniper cape or something) would also bring A LOT of immersion for a game like this.

I hope tripwire do stuff like this in a not so distant future.

[Krobar]

Originally Posted by cucamonster

I also want greatcoats for the germans, but I also expect more player model variety, Why NO russian normal riflemen Wear helmet in this game ?

Just cause i have a rifle it means i don't wear a helmet ?
And ALL assaults have helmets, it would be nice to see some guys wearing instead of the regular Pilotka:helmets, or even bandages in their heads, different clothing, or additions of clothing (like a sniper cape or something) would also bring A LOT of immersion for a game like this.

I hope tripwire do stuff like this in a not so distant future.

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.co...ad.php?t=45833

[cucamonster]

Originally Posted by Krobar

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.co...ad.php?t=45833

Dude, it would be a good idea but it would never happen, TWI don't have that much power now to invest in a Char Editor, i mean they could just create some different models and equipments and then distributed between players.

At least it's easier.

[Jorg Biermann]

The Germans had no Winter Clothing in Stalingrad.

But they did have Greatcoats which isn't classed as Winter clothing.

But yes why the **** don't the Germans have Greatcoats?