The other 80% of RO2 players dont want a "realism" mode.

[Extension7]

Well I'm a little disgusted by both sides of the argument here, I doubt the devs are even off break yet with their families yet, who knows.

Anyways, statistics are stupid, yet it is true that more people that have the game DON'T go on the forums. I always thought of the forums of a small niche place were the old ROOST vets and new RO2 lovers could converse and all CARE about the game and worship

But I'm not gonna get all sappy.

I'm sure TWI will give the realism mode ALONG with some bug squashes and ping compesations and all that jazz. So all 58 of you who voted on MagyarHonved's post don't get your panties in a notch, we'll still get our realism. And he'll still get his bug fixing.

[Extension7]

Originally Posted by HLudwig

Yeah, what good has math done for the human race?

What I mean is that doing statistics for a game, and making them up is stupid. Sorry for displeasing you.

[Spindle]

Originally Posted by DiedTrying

92% of statistics are made up on the spot

I see what you did there...

[Cwivey]

I reject your idea of realism and substitute my own!

You'd have to go in-game and ask every player you can, noting down names etc to get a genuine idea of what "the RO2 player" wants in terms of realism. Two modes would be acceptable though, as long as they are clearly marked on the servers.

[Six_Ten]

Originally Posted by Cwivey

I reject your idea of realism and substitute my own!

You'd have to go in-game and ask every player you can, noting down names etc to get a genuine idea of what "the RO2 player" wants in terms of realism. Two modes would be acceptable though, as long as they are clearly marked on the servers.

Yeah, "Red Orchestra Mode" and "Sissy Mode." Simple.

[Icey_Pain]

Don't you love it if people try to convince others that they represent a majority just because their afraid that their own puny voice will go unnoticed?

But I must honestly admit, if this were a troll. I'd still give it a 4/10 just because you managed to get so many dislikes lol.

[Gudenrath]

Originally Posted by Spindle

I see what you did there...

It's pretty old though.

(Just for the record, I didn't vote you down, I reserve my downvotes for obvious trolls, not posts I just happen to comment on or disagree with).

[>< f4ct0r...13]

I am shocked by the gaming community's lack of ambition. They choose to have a computer play their game, and hide their requests for it in phrases such as "improved squad play" etc.

I am not so shocked that the game devs follow along, it is all about money. I was shocked to see TWI do it, especially with the groundswell of support and marketing they were riding on release.

First things first. Make RO2 what it should have been at release. After that, The next steps to improve game will be self evident.

[shadowmoses]

Here are some words from your '80%' (read comments)
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012...sdk-rolls-out/

[dsi1]

Originally Posted by shadowmoses

Here are some words from your '80%' (read comments)
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012...sdk-rolls-out/

You can't really call RPS readers (especially commenters) the '80%', can you? Maybe Kotaku.

[Cyper]

Originally Posted by MagyarHonved

The other 80% that dont post on the forums, or are even aware that they exist, that is. (Yes, yes. Now that you have clicked and are reading this thread we can all agree that statistics mean jack and ****.)

At any rate, being a newcommer to these forums, I was recently reading over the last dev post (with the poll) and was absolutely shocked to see that the majority of posters here selected "Realism mode/tweeks".

Um, are we playing the same game? This game is broken on so many fundamental levels like player model hitboxes, weapon imbalances, server/client net/ping issues, poor functionality of squad and commander cohesion, spawn issues, basic player movement and control, and game modes which just straight up suck. Yet, many of you are here advocating tougher, more realistic gameplay. Lets not put the cart before the horse gentlemen.

I understand your dedication the the RO franchise and I realize that you feel that the devs should cater to its diehards, and rightly so. I merely ask you to chill out, and press for showstopping class A/B bugs to be patched before you start worrying about DLC type updates. You want us new players to suck it up and power through the steep learning curve; sure, we can do that, but people are dropping this game as soon as they play one or two rounds. Not because of the difficulty, but because the game is often unplayable.

The 80% you're talking about is an audience that doesn't exist. The majority, or the ''80%'', which consist of over 8 millions of players, stick with Battlefield, COD, and game in that genre. TWI can polish RO2 how much they want but it will never appeal to the mainstream unless radical changes are made. If you want this game to appeal to that audience - well, my friend, then you better remove RO2 from the genre ''tactical shooter'' and build it up from scratch. It wont happen with RO2 unless TWI completely remake it from ground level. Compare it with COD and notice the diffrence. People play COD, so thats the type of gameplay most people want because most people play COD and BF-like games.

The majority of players want realism because they bought the game for that reason but most of all because they were promised exactly this. This wont affect you or anyone else since no one will force you to play in realism mode. Most people tend to be able to stick with bugs, glitches and such if the core gameplay is good. Otherwise people would vote diffrent. The 80% you're talking about isn't intrested in this game. Besides, ANYONE that play RO2 have the POWER to express their opinions, but if they CHOOSE to stay in the dark and not voice their opinion. Its not anyones fault if these decisions affect them in a negative manner. The ones who doesn't care about the game has to deal with the outcome of the decisions that are taken.

[dazman76]

Originally Posted by Gudenrath

It's pretty old though.

Like every joke and witty comment basically There's no such thing as a new joke - each and every one shares a structure or format with one that went before it, and often they stretch back centuries. It is only the subject that changes, and that doesn't really constitute "new material"

Oops, that was quite off-topic. But meh, this thread is going nowhere fast right?

I happened across the RO2 SDK article on RPS myself yesterday, and I was pleased to see them giving it some coverage. Granted the comments aren't so great, but never mind - it could be worse

[dr. strangelove]

Originally Posted by Nezzer

A new realism mode won't change anything for those who don't like it. It will not be forced down your throats like your "unrealism mode", as you might call it, is forced down ours. Don't like it, play relaxed realism. I won't even comment your "80%"...

Here....Here...+1

[luciferintears]

good, then let the other 80% not play it.

all i ask is for the CURRENT realism mode (which is just normal mode with no hud or sidarms) to be fleshed out a bit more. You know, kind of like how RO2 was supposed to be...

[Sensemann]

Originally Posted by Cyper

The 80% you're talking about is an audience that doesn't exist. The majority, or the ''80%'', which consist of over 8 millions of players, stick with Battlefield, COD, and game in that genre. TWI can polish RO2 how much they want but it will never appeal to the mainstream unless radical changes are made. If you want this game to appeal to that audience - well, my friend, then you better remove RO2 from the genre ''tactical shooter'' and build it up from scratch. It wont happen with RO2 unless TWI completely remake it from ground level. Compare it with COD and notice the diffrence. People play COD, so thats the type of gameplay most people want because most people play COD and BF-like games.

The majority of players want realism because they bought the game for that reason but most of all because they were promised exactly this. This wont affect you or anyone else since no one will force you to play in realism mode. Most people tend to be able to stick with bugs, glitches and such if the core gameplay is good. Otherwise people would vote diffrent. The 80% you're talking about isn't intrested in this game. Besides, ANYONE that play RO2 have the POWER to express their opinions, but if they CHOOSE to stay in the dark and not voice their opinion. Its not anyones fault if these decisions affect them in a negative manner. The ones who doesn't care about the game has to deal with the outcome of the decisions that are taken.

I fully agree with Cyper on this. This whole bs about 80% of community is so stupid. See it like the elections in a democratic country. You have the right to vote. Didn't vote? Don't complain about the outcome.

This is very very simple.

Considering that RO 1 was still played by about 500 people in the last 6 months pre-release of RO 2, I am very convinced that a proper realism mode that is requested by so many here, will boost the player base again.

[how2skate_com]

In map vote servers, Apartments is played about 70% of all maps (yeah I know, another "fake" percentage, but I'm sure it's the most popular map by far).

This shows to me that OP does have somewhat of a point. I absolutely don't care about more realism, even though I'm not against it either. But for me it really isn't a priority.

[rechz]

This logic is as equally stupid as saying everyone wants realism.

[G_Sajer]

Assertions, assertions. Ev-ry-bo-dy's got an assertion. Pile this one in the back of the warehouse along with the others.

[defektive]

Originally Posted by G_Sajer

Assertions, assertions. Ev-ry-bo-dy's got an assertion. Pile this one in the back of the warehouse along with the others.

Opinions are like arseholes; everybody has one but not everyone wants to see yours.

[hekuball]

Originally Posted by DiedTrying

92% of statistics are made up on the spot



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Originally Posted by MagyarHonved http://forums.tripwireinteractive.co...s/viewpost.gif
statistics mean jack and ****.)
Ludwig:
That's true. If they mattered to you, then you would have never created this super creepy, raged filled post that lacks any intellectual integrity.
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lol thats funny right there. "Derp I'm going to use a statistic for an argument then contradict myself by saying statistics are meaningless"

btw, it's "jack ****" not "jack and ****"

More statistical funny business:The average (mean) number of legs per person, in any country, is always less than two.