A better explaination of the zoom feature.

[LHeureux]

Yes, another thread on this topic. Lots of people hate this feature while some love it. But I'm gonna give you an exemple of how it's realistic and why it's in-game.

Ok so here we have a picture of a river and some buildings at the distance. Here's is what a human would see, designed by the red lines.

http://www.hapoelshack.com/img/maxi/projet1wsw.jpg

In real-life you would see all that landscape, and even more! Because the human eyes can almost see up to ~170°

But on your screen, that's impossible because you would need a HUGE screen that would take almost all your room and that would curve around you.

So he're what it looks on your screen.

http://www.hapoelshack.com/img/maxi/projet2internet.jpg

Ha man that's PAINFULL! Look how everything is too close to you now and how your field of view is reduced! So to avoid everything to be this close and your gun to look like it's stuck on your nose, GAME DEVELOPPERS tend to zoom it out a bit. Like this :

http://www.hapoelshack.com/img/maxi/projet3internet.jpg

But by doing this, it screw all the distances and scale properties! So what was 50m looks like it's 100m now, and more and more. So in RO2 when you use the zoom feature, it takes you back to the correct scale by, of course, reducing your field of view. So when you zoom you can see the objects and world at distance like a human would :

http://www.hapoelshack.com/img/maxi/...nternetdhd.jpg


It takes you back to the correct scale until you zoom out.



I hope it helped some people to understand why the ZOOM feature IS realistic and is in-game.

A correct scale + field of view would be possible in videogames but you would need a bigass screen that would curve around you, something that the average gamer doesn't have unless he's rich and thought about that or something.

So you can't have the field of view + the correct scale in video games right now.

Here's a good quote :

Originally Posted by Josef Nader

Your computer monitor has to represent your full vision scale, including peripheral, on a small 2D plane. It does this by zooming your view out so you can see more. Pressing the zoom key brings objects into NORMAL scale, the scale that you can see in real life, with full peripheral vision and everything. It is getting rid of the artificial peripheral that the computer has added in to prevent you from being oblivious.

Your thoughts?

I request a STICKY please

[Josef Nader]

Get in line, I beat you to explaining this by an hour or so! ;D

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.co...ad.php?t=61177

But your thread covers parts of the topic mine didn't, so perhaps a mega thread is in order...

[SkinZ187]

hard to argue with you that it may be technically more realistic....but at the cost of gameplay? cant something that is realistic be left out just because its better for gameplay?

wanting that much realism is almost counter productive. what next? ... if we have to go #2, we have to take a **** outside with no toilet paper if your having bowel movements during gameplay?

^^^^ would technically be more realistic than crapping indoors...ijs

[LHeureux]

Originally Posted by Josef Nader

Get in line, I beat you to explaining this by an hour or so! ;D

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.co...ad.php?t=61177

But your thread covers parts of the topic mine didn't, so perhaps a mega thread is in order...

Yes I saw your thread but you talk about the tunnel vision thing, wich is...bull**** We need a mega thread.

[SkinZ187]

Originally Posted by TheGoden

Read through most of the debates on the zoom thing and I've yet to see 2 things addressed:

1) I did not know tunnel vision was something our eyes could toggle on and off at will. In RO2 I can ADS and then zoom in and out at will?

2) Why can I zoom without using ADS? Do I have cybernetic eyes or something?

^^^^ this is exactly what i was wondering.

[LHeureux]

Originally Posted by TheGoden

Read through most of the debates on the zoom thing and I've yet to see 2 things addressed:

1) I did not know tunnel vision was something our eyes could toggle on and off at will. In RO2 I can ADS and then zoom in and out at will?

2) Why can I zoom without using ADS? Do I have cybernetic eyes or something?

Read the OP. I'm not talking about cybernetics eyes here or tunnel vision bull****. And what is that ADS thing you're talking about? And yes in RO2 you can zoom in and out at will because as a human you would ALWAYS see zoomed in but with a bigger peripheral vision.

[Josef Nader]

Originally Posted by TheGoden

Read through most of the debates on the zoom thing and I've yet to see 2 things addressed:

1) I did not know tunnel vision was something our eyes could toggle on and off at will. In RO2 I can ADS and then zoom in and out at will?

2) Why can I zoom without using ADS? Do I have cybernetic eyes or something?

1) So you're telling me what when you are focusing on a specific object in the distance, your eyes don't quickly adjust to bring those details into focus? If you quickly change focus, do your eyes not quickly readjust to the new target? If not, you may need your eyes checked.

2)

Originally Posted by Josef Nader

*Rolls his head across the keyboard*

You don't need to blur the edges of the screen, the zoom cuts WAY down on your peripheral in the first place.

And why should you need the butt of a gun jammed up your nose to be able to focus on a certain area?

It's merely zooming in so that you can see the details you could pick out in real life.

RTFT.

[SkinZ187]

ADS = aim down sight

[Josef Nader]

Originally Posted by SkinZ187

hard to argue with you that it may be technically more realistic....but at the cost of gameplay? cant something that is realistic be left out just because its better for gameplay?

wanting that much realism is almost counter productive. what next? ... if we have to go #2, we have to take a **** outside with no toilet paper if your having bowel movements during gameplay?

^^^^ would technically be more realistic than crapping indoors...ijs

Oh don't be stupid. The game presents a realistic combat engine. If you want an unrealistic combat engine, there is a HUGE market of great games for you to chose from. RO2 is trying something different. Combat takes place at realistic ranges, with realistically modeled guns, and all in all tries to be as realistic as fighting a cloud of 1s and 0s can be with the current technology.

[LHeureux]

Originally Posted by SkinZ187

ADS = aim down sight

Now I understand your point. You can "zoom" when you're not in the sight too because that's realistic I mean. It's not about cybernetics eyes.

The "zoom" should be called "Taking scales to normal human eye distinctions"

Because when you "zoom" you're just making the things appears as they would to a the human eye.

[Josef Nader]

Originally Posted by LHeureux

Now I understand your point. You can "zoom" when you're not in the sight too because that's realistic I mean. It's not about cybernetics eyes.

The "zoom" should be called "Taking scales to normal human eye distinctions"

Because when you "zoom" you're just making the things appears as they would to a the human eye.

Exactly. I don't understand why this is so hard for you folks to wrap your head around.

[SnowyOak]

Here are some test screenshots I made. The zoom in perspective is actually the exact same perspective among all non-scoped weapons.

[LHeureux]

Please read the original post, all is there for you to understand.

[LHeureux]

Originally Posted by SnowyOak

Here are some test screenshots I made. The zoom in perspective is actually the exact same perspective among all non-scoped weapons.

Good, because that's exactly how it should be, having a different weapon in your hands doesn't make your eyes to see further.

[Josef Nader]

Originally Posted by TheGoden

I can try and focus at the cars across the street and no matter how hard I try or what object I have in my face, I cannot see them any more clearly than I could without trying to focus intently. In RO2 you can hit a button and zoom in and your target is magically clearer easier to see. Human eyes don't work this way, regardless of what you're looking at.

Would you please read the thread? Look at all the pretty pictures OP has up there.

Your computer monitor has to represent your full vision scale, including peripheral, on a small 2D plane. It does this by zooming your view out so you can see more. Pressing the zoom key brings objects into NORMAL scale, the scale that you can see in real life, with full peripheral vision and everything. It is getting rid of the artificial peripheral that the computer has added in to prevent you from being oblivious.

It's overcoming the limitations of your computer hardware to provide a more realistic gaming experience.

[LHeureux]

I quoted you Josef.

[Josef Nader]

Originally Posted by LHeureux

I quoted you Josef.

Tee hee, look at me being all astute and whatnot.

+5 e-peen.

[SkinZ187]

the kiddies can make a script that makes you "zoom" automatically by aiming down your sights - it basically has became a scope on all weapons.

[LHeureux]

Originally Posted by SkinZ187

the kiddies can make a script that makes you "zoom" automatically by aiming down your sights - it basically has became a scope on all weapons.

Wait what? I think that the language is a barrier here.

EDIT : You can activate the zoom by pressing shift anyway.

[LHeureux]

Can I get more feedback? Or I think I'll need to wait for tomorrow when people will wake up

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